Basenji Wanted in CO

[etzbseder]

I am new to this forum, and have decided that I would like to get a basenji, prefferably male. I have never owned one before and my parents own a bernese mountain dog mix. I would only be living with them for about 2 months, and cannot get the dog until June, but would like to get a puppy (if possible).

I was wondering what I should look into in a new dog, what I should bring with me/ask for from the breeder.

[Vanessa]

I know Annandael in Colorado has a waiting list for this next year. Send her a private message.
Also consider BRAT. They have some great Basenji's that need homes. Really research this breed. They are not like any other dog. Get to know your breeder and spend sometime with Basenji's to really get to know how they are.
Good Luck and keep us posted

[basenjishunt]

try Laurie Stargell in Windsor CO.....

[Ambered]

basenji puppies are born in the winter, so in june they will be an avg of 6 months old (if there are any left!)
really carefully bred pups sell like hot cakes.
in the meantime soak up as much info about the breed as possible!

[tanza]

Good points... this is the time to research the breed, find local responsible breeders, visit with them.... learn about the breed... go to the Basenji Club of America website and you can find a listing of breeders. Also you can find on the "Is a Basenji right for me?"... section lots of information about Basenjis including questions you should be asking your breeder. Take your time.. learn about the breed, the health concerns, etc.... and then find yourself a responsible breeder and get on their reservation list for a pup that they are planning for this Fall.

[etzbseder]

I do know of one breader who still has a puppy left from December. I was wondering if 6 months is too old to be getting a new puppy, are they already set in their ways or willing to change?

also, if it does get around to that, what kinds of things should I look for. Tempermant, size (mostly weight), registration, health/vaccination certificates?

[Quercus]

I do know of one breader who still has a puppy left from December. I was wondering if 6 months is too old to be getting a new puppy, are they already set in their ways or willing to change?

also, if it does get around to that, what kinds of things should I look for. Tempermant, size (mostly weight), registration, health/vaccination certificates?

Six months may be fine...but it really depends on what the breeder has been doing with the pup during that time. If the puppy has just sat in a crate, waiting to be purchased...NO...you don't want that puppy. But if the breeder has been what we call 'growing the puppy out' to see if it has show potential...and the breeder has been making sure the puppy is learning house manners, and being socialized to different people, and different situations, then that can be a really great opportunity for puppy buyers. And, don't just take someone's word that they are doing all of the above...go see the breeder, the puppy, the parents, the set up..and if it seems at all fishy, assume the worst. It might be hard to walk away from a pup in a bad situation..but you will be the one to pay for it later....just read some of the threads here....

When you are picking out a puppy, you want to look for the following:

A breeder who you feel very comfortable with...including how the dogs are kept, how the dogs are treated, you need to trust the breeder. The breeder should ask you a lot of questions, and be happy to answer yours. He or she should make it VERY clear that they will be keeping in contact with you throughout the pup's life, and will happily take the pup back if for whatever reason you can't keep it. A good breeder will have a contract for you to sign, that protects you, the puppy, and the breeder.

Temperament: The dogs and puppies should be friendly and interested in visiting with you, sniffing you, going thru your pockets and purses. Most good breeders will pick a pup out for you, because they know the pups the best. But if you are in the situation where you pick one out, it is always wise to pick one that is not the MOST out going, or the least...somewhere in the middle is usually the best pet. You should be allowed to meet the mother...but often the father doesn't live with the breeder. The breeder should explain to you that basenjis are different, and don't respond well to "traditional" training methods...but do wonderfully well with positive reinforcement training, and some breeders will suggest you take your pup to kindergarten.

Size is fairly irrelevant...there are some larger than average basenjis, and some smaller, but they are all roughly the same size. The size won't effect the quality of pet you desire.

Registration, ideally AKC; UKC is the only other US registry that I would consider reputable. When you purchase the puppy, you should receive the paperwork to register with the AKC. Sometimes the breeder will fill it out with you and send it in. But the paperworks SHOULD go with the puppy. Most people purchase a puppy as a pet, and the breeder will mark the LIMITED registration box...with the intention that this pup is not to be bred from. If someone tries to later register pups from that dog, AKC will refuse the registration.

Health and Vaccines: Your breeder should have covered all the possible concerns regarding genetically inhertited diseases that may occur in the pups. Very few genetic diseases in Basenjis have a definitive yes or no test right now, so breeders have to do their best guess as to reducing the chance of passing on genetic disease. A breeder should be able to tell you the last time they test stripped all breeding stock for Fanconi...should be within the last month. She should be able to show you the most recent eye exam paperwork done by a vet. ophthomologist, and she should be able to show you evidence that the parents were both screened for Canine Hip Dysplasia.

The puppies should look healthy (obviously!). Vaccine schedules vary some between breeders....most pups get their first DHLPP between 6-8 weeks. And they should have been wormed at least once during that time.

So I think that REALLY lengthy post covers it...I am sure other people will put in a few more cents that I forgot.

[etzbseder]

I'm not sure if the breeder i have been in contact with is on here. He is from Cripple Creek, CO and posts his litters on puppyfind.com and the local newspaper. I do have another dog that will be with me until the end of July, so i was thinking i would try to meet with my dog and then later (if all is well) meet without him and then get the dog if all is still well.

The breeder did say that the dog is now house trained so that helps me believe to begin with that he has been raising the dog rather than leaving it in a crate all day.

[tanza]

Is this breeder a member of the local Basenji club in Co? Is he a member of The Basenji Club of America?... these are two things that I think are important when looking for a responsible breeder. Also, does he show or do performance events with his Basenjis? Did he give you a pedigree? Has the sire and dam been health tested?.... Hips, Eyes, Thyroid, etc....
And I am not sure that just because they said he was house trained that he was raised in the house? Not without seeing the situation....

Also, just for what it is worth, I am NOT a big fan of people that advertise in Puppyfind.com or in the local newspaper... in our area that just screams BYB

[etzbseder]

Thank you all for your replies. If i do get a dog, rest assured there will be nice photos on here for all to see.

[basenjishunt]

http://www.skyhibasenjis.com/

[Quercus]

I'm not sure if the breeder i have been in contact with is on here. He is from Cripple Creek, CO and posts his litters on puppyfind.com and the local newspaper. I do have another dog that will be with me until the end of July, so i was thinking i would try to meet with my dog and then later (if all is well) meet without him and then get the dog if all is still well.

The breeder did say that the dog is now house trained so that helps me believe to begin with that he has been raising the dog rather than leaving it in a crate all day.

House trained is not the same as being well socialized...and of course the breeder is going to tell you he is house trained if he wants to sell you the dog....who would buy a six month old dog that wasn't house trained?

[Quercus]

http://www.skyhibasenjis.com/

This is a very good suggestion!

[Ambered]

etzbseder
i sent you a private messege (warning) about cripple creek
no responsible breeder has 60 puppies a year

[etzbseder]

By chance do any of you know of any reputable breeders in CO or WY that have any puppies left from dec?

[basenjishunt]

http://www.skyhibasenjis.com/

[lvoss]

Here is a link to the BCOA breeder directory, http://www.basenji.org/?q=node/30

Also, just because a breeder does not have any puppies available at this time does not mean they do not have a young adult that is looking for the right home. Alot of times these are retired show dogs or a puppy that didn't turn out quite as expected. They are past the puppy destructiveness and already housetrained and well socialized. I would recommend talking with some of the breeders in the directory and also making an appointment to just come and visit with their dogs. See what they are like and get an idea about what basenjis from different families are like.

[basenjishunt]

etzbseder
Have you contacted anyone?? Your getting a lot of advice, but you keep asking the same thing over and over......:)

[etzbseder]

I'm waiting on a second email from the guy from cripple creek from yesterday, and I have sent emails to all 3 CO breeders from the basenji club of america (i think that's where i found them). but i've owned a couple dogs before, and a basenji is not quite the same as any of them. (2 huskies and a bernese mountain dog mix).

I do find myself repetitive, but i try not to do it if i can help it.

[basenjishunt]

I agree with Ambered....60 puppies a year!!!! warning! warning!:eek:

[tanza]

Huge warning to stay away form Cripple Creek... no responsible breeder has 60 puppies a year.....
Please go to a responsible breeder!

[Ambered]

i know how hard it is to find a puppy. i had a time finding one for my mother this puppy season. i spent hours online searching, sent numerous emails with breeders from all sides.
i would also like to add in a warning against using basenjirus.com !
i really dont want to tick anyone off, but seriously there are so many good resources. adding a dog is a huge decision. you need to do more research than you would buying a new car. if you make smart decisions you will have your dog for longer than i would keep any car.

[annandael]

Hey there, I think everyone has been giving you some very good advice. The problem with so many people wanting dogs nowadays is that they want one NOW! The best thing for you is to have a little patience, as Basenjis only come into heat once a year.

And while it's true most Basenjis have puppies in the winter, my girl is going into heat in the spring instead of the fall.

Please for your sake, stay away from Cripple Creek (what a name...having Cripple in it!) To me it sounds like they are a BYB and they only want your money.

If you'd like to talk more with me about the breed PM me and I'll give you my cell number so we can chat...

-Danielle

[etzbseder]

It's ok I got an older puppy so I do have a B now. I was willing to wait but i found one that looked good. After almost two weeks, I am still very happy with my puppy and he seems to be very happy with me unless he has to go into his crate, but we're working on that.

[annandael]

Did you get it from Cripple Creek?

[etzbseder]

Yeah, the number of puppies his family has is due to the fact that he has a small pack of dogs.

[annandael]

I'm sorry to hear that. >.<

[Quercus]

Yeah, the number of puppies his family has is due to the fact that he has a small pack of dogs.


Huh? The dogs are just running in a pack, and breed at will?

[tanza]

Huh? The dogs are just running in a pack, and breed at will?

Kind of my reaction too??? However, regardless here is an example of a "pure for profit" BYB.... This is NOT a responsible breeder... and again I will say that I doubt this person did health testing before breeding any of these Basenjis....

[etzbseder]

No they don't just breed at will, he separates them so he knows who's breeding with who and watches after the puppies, but he has 9 Bs on his large property that he takes care of and watches after. They are all AKC, so he has got to be at least on good standing with them. I am happy with my B and don't care if all you are going to do is critisize my choice to get a dog from someone not as uptight about checking out the possible homes and sort of background checking all possible puppy buyers like many of the other breeders I contacted.

[lvoss]

Can someone please tell me why people get upset when responsible breeders want to know about the homes their puppies are going to be placed in?

I put my heart and soul into raising my puppies and my dogs are part of my family. Yes, I screen homes, I ask questions but how could you expect anything less from a person who cares about the puppies they have brought into this world. I would run as far and as fast from someone who does not ask questions about a potential home as I could because I don't know how anyone who has socialized and cared for a litter the way it is necessary to do could not want the absolute best for those pups.

So next time anyone gets a offended by being asked questions about the home you could provide, stop and remember you are asking to take home a part of this person's family.

[nomrbddgs]

No they don't just breed at will, he separates them so he knows who's breeding with who and watches after the puppies, but he has 9 Bs on his large property that he takes care of and watches after. They are all AKC, so he has got to be at least on good standing with them. I am happy with my B and don't care if all you are going to do is critisize my choice to get a dog from someone not as uptight about checking out the possible homes and sort of background checking all possible puppy buyers like many of the other breeders I contacted.

I think everyone here is just worried that you get a healthy dog with a good background. Even from someone very careful they can have problems with a dog. If you are happy with your puppy, that's is what is important. Please don't mistake the concern these people have for you as criticism. Most of these people have seen a lot of people just like you fall into something that will cause them heartbreak and pain. Don't forget these people have had B's for a long time and know the problems. We do not have a big gene pool like Shepherds or Labs. If you have been to the man's place and are comfortable then you are using your best judgement. Don't shut out what everyone is saying to you, either. When you need info or advice there is always someone who has been in a similar situation. And the reason a lot of B breeders check out the background of all possible puppy buyers is to limit the number of bad owners who expect a lovable lab without odours and who want to please their owners exclusively, and then dump the dogs when they become, "too much work." We, as breeders, and owners must be more diligent when placing puppies.

[tanza]

My personal opinion is that people should want breeders to know about them, be involved with owners, like Lisa said, we put our heart and soul (and many dollars) trying to raise health, well adjusted Basenjis... not only as show/performance dogs but first and formost at wonderful family companions. People should not be put off when breeders want to know about them.... they should be pleased (at least IMO)... adopting a puppy is not like buying a car, yet more people take more time to do that then a living, breathing animal. People that breed 5 to 6 litters or more a year are in it for the money and the money only... there is no way that you can properly socialize that many pups... and have screened homes for them... Remember responsible breeders will advise people that this is not the right breed of dog for their lifestyle... and encourge them to look at other breeds (and give suggestions)... not every breed is right for every person/family... People that just "sell" puppies do not do "any" breed justice.
I am glad that you are happy with your pup, but that does not mean that the breeder was responsible, especially with that amount of litters. I doubt that if you checked the OFA website there is no health testing for any of his breeding stock... nor does he know what has happened and where all the pups are that he has bred and placed... which means he has no idea of what health concerns may have popped up....

[Quercus]

<<I am happy with my B and don't care if all you are going to do is critisize my choice to get a dog from someone not as uptight about checking out the possible homes and sort of background checking all possible puppy buyers like many of the other breeders I contacted.>>

I am really glad you are happy with your puppy. I am sure he is wonderful and adorable. And I am really glad that we will be here to answer your questions and concerns as your B grows, because I am sure your breeder won't be able to offer the infomation needed regarding health and behavior issues. And I am sure your breeder won't be willing to take your dog back in five years, if your life situation changes and you can't keep him anymore. And I am sure your breeder won't offer you refund money to help with expenses if your dog develops an inherited disease like Fanconi, PRA or Hip Dysplasia.

You get what you pay for...I guess...in money, and/or effort. You can lead a horse to water....

But, honestly, the reason we are critical is because we care about the future of this ancient breed. And people who indiscriminately breed dogs together to make money will ruin our breed...period. And also because you asked for our opinions early on, we gave you great advice and information (if I do say so, myself) and you did what you wanted anyhow....if that were me, I would expect criticism, I guess.

[Vegas]

No they don't just breed at will, he separates them so he knows who's breeding with who and watches after the puppies, but he has 9 Bs on his large property that he takes care of and watches after. They are all AKC, so he has got to be at least on good standing with them. I am happy with my B and don't care if all you are going to do is critisize my choice to get a dog from someone not as uptight about checking out the possible homes and sort of background checking all possible puppy buyers like many of the other breeders I contacted.

I give you the lifetime of one basenji to come back here, and rescind that statement. I was the exact same as you when I got my first basenji. They are just so different from other dogs that you will realize that some breeders not only do the breed a disservice, but also their customers. I bought my first basenji from a pet-store/puppymill. I would buy him again if I could. If I had bought him from a breeder, and actually had some instruction, he'd still be alive today.

The reasons that I don't like those kinds of breeders? I've been involved in the rescue, foster, or transport of over 50 basenjis in the past year. All have come from breeders like you have described.

Please, don't be too put off by us now. As time goes on you will realize that there is a reason that buying a basenji is harder than buying a golden retriever.

Vegas

[nomrbddgs]

This is the exact thing that I was talking about. But I also would like her to ask us questions if she needs us. We all have horror stories-but we also have been through alot. This person is just starting out. She'll have lots of questions that I would rather her ask us than just guess at the answers. I don't believe that a lot of people know that anyone can be AKC/CKC whether they are good breeders or not.

[Vegas]

AKC is a business that makes money registering dogs. It's easier to make money off of somebody that registers 1000 dogs/year, than it is to make money off of somebody who registers 5 dogs/year. People who think that having papers means anything about health, or quality are fooling themselves. All it means is "yep, you bought a basenji".

Those puppymills in MO convinced me that the AKC is total crap. I would never give them a dime of my money. In the words of tommy boy "really all you've bought is a guaranteed piece of crap."

[nomrbddgs]

That may be okay for you to say, but we as breeders and responsible dog owners to try to follow a little bit of protocol. You may not want to give them a dime of your money, but we have to as being responsible people. I'm not saying what you said is not true, but then again, if you research any breed, you'll find puppy mills all over the world. With and without health guarantees, anyone can be a byb. It is really up to the person to research. If you've had trouble, you can't blame anyone but yourself for not doing the research properly.

[Basenji_Boy]

We planned each B we have and waited in some cases a year for each one. In some cases we had no guarantee as to what we'd get (male or female):eek: , but that was the price we felt we'd pay to get a quality dog from a quailty breeder. The first breeder required us to have a fenced in yard.......I know why now!:eek:
I don't think any of these breeders are uptight and I really believe they have the best interest in the breed in mind as most of them don't sell many litters. If they are uptight it's because they have genuine concern for what they're responsible for.......I'll go with the uptight everytime if that's the case.

We did our research and traveled many miles to get these B's.

Instant gratification, seems to be what keeps some from doing the research and IMO getting the best dog possible.

I hope it all works out good for etzbseder, I really do.

[lvoss]

Those puppymills in MO convinced me that the AKC is total crap. I would never give them a dime of my money. In the words of tommy boy "really all you've bought is a guaranteed piece of crap."

AKC papers mean something if you know what you are looking at. When you buy a puppy from Permanently ID'd parents with OFA and CERF results you will see those results published on the papers of your puppy. If the parents have a DNA profile with AKC so you can prove the parentage of your puppy the profile number will be listed on the papers.

So you are right, if your AKC papers say nothing more that Sire Name and Number, Dam Name and Number and your puppy's basic description then you don't have a whole lot. If on the other hand you have AKC papers with Sire + health clearances + DNA Profile and Dam + health clearances + DNA profile then you have more than a piece of crap.

[Vegas]

AKC topic continued at:

http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?p=16156#post16156

[etzbseder]

First off, I'm a guy. Second, I do have a pedigree if any of you are actually concerned and would like to see if your dog is used for the purposes many of you see as a puppy mill. Also, The breeder and I had many conversations including questions about living cituations and even meeting with eachother in person with all the dogs (I brought my mutt there). I am always welcome to give my dog back if needed, and may even get a refund if less than a certain time period. I don't believe that he would have sold me a puppy if he thought my home to not be suited for one, but unlike many other people i contacted, he doesn't have to see my house and demand I have a certain size yard and fence. this seemed to be the best option for a student in a large apartment to get a very special kind of dog to be a great pet. thanks though for your concerns, they just seem very negative towards a not too overly protective B parent.

[etzbseder]

If you guys want the relatives there are a 2 from york 2 from cambria 2 from dettbarn and several others. only one is a puppy of one of his other dogs, and no 2 dogs have 1 same parent

[lvoss]

Here is the reason why breeders do so much screening and have the requirements they do. These are all rescues located in the state of Colorado currently, http://www.coloradobasenjirescue.org/adoptable.shtml

[lvoss]

If you guys want the relatives there are a 2 from york 2 from cambria 2 from dettbarn and several others. only one is a puppy of one of his other dogs, and no 2 dogs have 1 same parent
I think you continue to miss everyone's point. The health of your dog's pedigree is not about having no dog repeated in a pedigree or about using or not using your own stud dogs. It is about doing health testing and making carefully planned breeding decisions. None of the prefixes you listed give dogs with health testing except Cambria and since 2 of the 3 dogs in the OFA database were born in the 80's I don't think they are in your boy's pedigree. It costs $2000 per hip joint for hip replacement in severe cases of HD, does your contract cover that? How many dogs in his 5 generation pedigree are over the age of 5 and being strip tested monthly? How about the reimbursement for partial medical expenses if your boy ends up Fanconi affected? What was the goal of the breeding that produced your boy? How well does he meet that goal?

The information you were given in this thread was to help you find a breeder that takes responsibility for producing healthy puppies and will provide support the puppy's lifetime no matter what.

[Quercus]

<< None of the prefixes you listed give dogs with health testing except Cambria and since 2 of the 3 dogs in the OFA database were born in the 80's>>

Lisa, somebody "stole" the Cambria prefix several years back, and almost guaranteed all of the dogs you see currently in BYB or puppymill dogs that have Cambria dogs, are NOT the Cambria dogs we are familiar with. That is the reason that about five years ago (?) the BCOA retired the Cambria prefix.

For everybody else, that is something that irresponsible breeders do...take a kennel name that is widely known for quality dogs, and start using it as their own...nice....

[Quercus]

<<thanks though for your concerns, they just seem very negative towards a not too overly protective B parent.>>

Honestly, it has nothing to do with being overly protective....it has to do with preserving a breed. Although I do not agree with excluding puppy buyers because they live in an apartment, or don't have a fence, I know there are lots of breeders out there that don't require that of their puppy buyers.

Part of my issue with you is that you are putting info out there that says 'breeders who really care about the breed, and making a good match will make it too difficult for people to get puppies' ....and that just isn't true. You didn't want to put in the effort to find the kind of breeder we are talking about...fine, your choice....but don't make it sound like that is the fault of responsible breeders by calling them "overprotective". Send me a private email and list the breeders that are members of the BCOA that you contacted, so I can see how many responsible breeders turned you down.

[annandael]

My parent's dog, Simeon was an AKC registered dog with Champions in his pedigree. There was something mentally wrong with him...he was very agressive at random intervals. He died at age 9! Basenjis can live to be 18! Just because the dog is AKC...or even has a CH or two in their pedigree doesn't mean anything.

Potential owners should be just as picky about where their dogs come from, as the breeder is about where their pup/dog is going.

It took me months of screening to find my girl Kiya...and I STILL could have made a better decision! I wouldn't trade her for the world...but the breeder now has nothing to do with dogs and doesn't want to know about her or her wins in the dog shows....it's sad but it happened. She also wouldn't take her back if there was something wrong...(which I would never do...) but it's an example.

I would never sell to someone that wanted a Basenji puppy...NOW

Never. I always tell them the negatives about the breed first, then if they are still interested I start drilling them with questions!

I may be new, but I only care about my babies and the future of their babies.

[nomrbddgs]

The best thing is when a person comes into the breeders home and the breeder 'releases the hounds', just watch the reaction you get. You can tell alot from that too. Of course, this is after you tell them all about the bad things first!

As I said before, the B breeders screen so diligently because we do know the problems that are present and we do have such a small gene pool that we want the best for the B's we have.

[lvoss]

Lisa, somebody "stole" the Cambria prefix several years back, and almost guaranteed all of the dogs you see currently in BYB or puppymill dogs that have Cambria dogs, are NOT the Cambria dogs we are familiar with. That is the reason that about five years ago (?) the BCOA retired the Cambria prefix.

I am aware of that and 1 of the 3 in the OFA database is from the BYB, the other two are I believe both true Cambria dogs.

[lvoss]

this seemed to be the best option for a student in a large apartment to get a very special kind of dog to be a great pet. thanks though for your concerns, they just seem very negative towards a not too overly protective B parent.

I have a real problem with this statement. I got my first basenji as a college student living in an apartment and found responsible breeders were quite willing to talk with me. Some did ask me about my schedule and my plans for the future but none were rude or unwilling to talk to me. There are some breeders that do require a fenced yard but most breeders I talked to were willing to place a dog in an apartment but were very interested in hearing what my plan to provide adequate exercise was. As a breeder, I have placed a puppy with a college student living in an apartment and I did require him to bring a letter from his apartment complex stating that dogs were allowed and he had made arrangements with them to have a dog but I require that of anyone who rents since that is one of the Top 10 reasons dogs are surrendered to shelters. So maybe this was the path of least resistance but I agree with Andrea that it should not be put out there as the "best option".

[YodelDogs]

As a breeder myself, I can appreciate the desire for a few folks here to try to educate etzbseder about why its important to buy from a responsible breeder but etzbseder has already purchased a dog that he says he is happy with. I don't think he's going to send his dog back to his breeder and run out and buy a different Basenji because "we" think he should have bought one elsewhere. The same can be said for dogs obtained through rescue also since almost all of them originated from backyard breeders and puppy mills. Its a risk and some people are ok with that. That said, hopefully people will read this thread and learn the importance of responsible breeders and possibly seek one out when they are ready for another Basenji. Kudos to all of our fabulous breeder posters who are so wonderful about helping others out. Let us be there for etzbseder when he needs us. Best wishes to all.

[Vegas]

His first came from a backyard breeder, my first came from a pet store/puppymill. I can't judge, nor would I want to. I understand exactly where he is coming from.

[etzbseder]

There are soo many posts to respond to but he does strip test his dogs that are over 3 and the cambria that is his parent is 6 years old and probably is the cambria that you're thinking of. I'm not sure exactly who I spoke with but there were 2 from CO and 3 from out-of-state. I had been looking at breeders for about 7 months before getting a puppy and the breeder did tell me all the negatives about the breed, but he also told me many of the positives and I was a member here before getting the dog to do about half of my research about the breed. I'm not sure what he was planning for with the breeding this time, but I know by taking the runt, but most loving and nice one of the bunch, that I may not have gotten the goal of the breeding. He is adjusting very well to my schedule and his having to be crated and alone for about 1-2 hours a day. He is also learning to get along with the mut so he can be with him instead of alone. He is learning very quickly and is putting on a bit of weight because of the change from ol roys to royal canin dog food. I will post pictures as soon as I get my camera working. I do plan on staying part of this forum as it is the best place so far to get advice when needed and look up other peoples problems to try to help/learn from them.

[etzbseder]

Vegas, it's nice to see that I'm not the only one trying to give good homes to some the less wanted puppies out there. This is my first dog but my parents dogs have all come from pounds. That's where we got our mutt and when I tried to take it to school last year, they wouldn't let me because they love him so much. Being a 20 yr old college student, I don't have the money to pay 1k for a top pick puppy, but may end up getting a second B when I'm done from college from one of the other breeders that may even cost near 1k as I won't have to spend as much money on all the toys and crates and leashes and such. I have just about 2 of everything so mine could grow and find the one he enjoys.

[nomrbddgs]

I'm very proud of you to take everything in context. While some differences do occur between us, I am happy you are satisfied with your choice. The change in dog food will make a huuge difference. Please keep him loving by socialising him with other dogs and people as well. We're not bashing you for wanting to give a dog a good home, just concerned with all the BYB. Personally, I hope all the best for you and that you don't have any problems with this dog. Can't wait for the pics, and congrats.

[Basenji_Boy]

He is learning very quickly and is putting on a bit of weight because of the change from ol roys to royal canin dog food.

We fed Royal Canin exclusively and changed because of some RC recalls. Make sure what your feeding isn't on the recall list.
http://www.royalcanin.us/recalled.html

[Quercus]

As a breeder myself, I can appreciate the desire for a few folks here to try to educate etzbseder about why its important to buy from a responsible breeder but etzbseder has already purchased a dog that he says he is happy with. I don't think he's going to send his dog back to his breeder and run out and buy a different Basenji because "we" think he should have bought one elsewhere. The same can be said for dogs obtained through rescue also since almost all of them originated from backyard breeders and puppy mills. Its a risk and some people are ok with that. That said, hopefully people will read this thread and learn the importance of responsible breeders and possibly seek one out when they are ready for another Basenji. Kudos to all of our fabulous breeder posters who are so wonderful about helping others out. Let us be there for etzbseder when he needs us. Best wishes to all.


I agree Robyn, and I hope I made it clear that I *am glad we are here to help everyone who has a basenji however they got one. I don't *at *all want etzbseder to return his puppy. I just resist the idea being put out there that responsible breeders are too picky to place dogs in most homes. I think that kind of attitude scares people away from seeking out responsible breeders. I also will argue the proposition that a responsibly bred puppy costs around $1,000.....in most areas of the country IME that is just not the case. And if that *is the case, maybe we , as breeders, need to re-evaluate, because most families simply cannot afford that for a puppy....

[tanza]

I agree Robyn, and I hope I made it clear that I *am glad we are here to help everyone who has a basenji however they got one. I don't *at *all want etzbseder to return his puppy. I just resist the idea being put out there that responsible breeders are too picky to place dogs in most homes. I think that kind of attitude scares people away from seeking out responsible breeders. I also will argue the proposition that a responsibly bred puppy costs around $1,000.....in most areas of the country IME that is just not the case. And if that *is the case, maybe we , as breeders, need to re-evaluate, because most families simply cannot afford that for a puppy....

In California and I believe the PNW, average price is 850 to 950.00 for a pet puppy, many of us do NOT have a difference between pet and show. Yes, it does differ across the US... but I know that I have not had a problem with the quoted prices.... and even at that price, you can't cover the cost of a litter here in California... and if something goes wrong like Rally and her C-section, losing a puppy, only having three..... well, you get the idea...

[Quercus]

In California and I believe the PNW, average price is 850 to 950.00 for a pet puppy, many of us do NOT have a difference between pet and show. Yes, it does differ across the US... but I know that I have not had a problem with the quoted prices.... and even at that price, you can't cover the cost of a litter here in California... and if something goes wrong like Rally and her C-section, losing a puppy, only having three..... well, you get the idea...


Wow...well, we probably couldn't have afforded to get a puppy if we had started out in California....but then again, we couldn't afford to live in California :) I think Querk was $400 on a co-ownership, he ended up being the best male in the litter, and a Am/Can Champion...so it wasn't like we were getting the bargain basement price ;)

[tanza]

Wow...well, we probably couldn't have afforded to get a puppy if we had started out in California....but then again, we couldn't afford to live in California :) I think Querk was $400 on a co-ownership, he ended up being the best male in the litter, and a Am/Can Champion...so it wasn't like we were getting the bargain basement price ;)

Of course years ago, my Maggii and OJ were under $500. (almost 16yrs ago) and Maggii and Mickii were (and still are co-owned by M. Leighton for that matter) were on a co-ownership, so a little cheaper price... However as with everything, prices are more then tripled here... hey, we pay the highest in gas, housing, even entries fees are higher in California.. (I know from entering Paris back there and enter dogs out here)... vet bills are higher... well you get the picture... so the prices are not out of line with the area....

You can't walk into most Vet offices out here without paying less that $100... and that would be for just an exam and "maybe" a stool sample... gggg

[Basenji_Boy]

You'll pay close to $1000.00 at Pet land if not more. My Son worked for one and I was amazed what people are paying for a pup.

Most of our's cost around $500.00 to $750.00.

[Vegas]

we paid $450 for our only "bought" basenji. She developed a pancreatic disorder when we got her, and when we called to inform the breeder she offered to exchange her, refund our money, or take her back.

We, of course, wouldn't have any of that. Katy is my sweet-heart.:)

[tanza]

You'll pay close to $1000.00 at Pet land if not more. My Son worked for one and I was amazed what people are paying for a pup.

Most of our's cost around $500.00 to $750.00.

The few pet stores in California that sell puppies (lucky that we don't have a lot of pet stores selling pups) charge 1500.00 to 2000.00 for Basenjis... yikes!!!!!

[JazzysMom]

I think $800 - 900 is about par for Washington state.

[lvoss]

Just to start putting the cost of a puppy into perspective I started a new thread and listed some of the expenses.

http://basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?p=16324#post16324

[annandael]

Most breeders I have talked to, wanted 1,000 for a SHOW puppy. And much less for a pet puppy. $500 is about what I'd charge for a pet.

[tanza]

Most breeders I have talked to, wanted 1,000 for a SHOW puppy. And much less for a pet puppy. $500 is about what I'd charge for a pet.

Well that is fine if you can charge $500 for a puppy.. and still try and cover your costs... like I said, pretty impossible in California and most of the PNW..
Again also, I can only think of one or two breeders on the West Coast that have different prices for show or pet.

[lvoss]

For me there are several reasons to charge the same amount for all puppies. First of all each puppy in my house recieves the same care and therefore incurs the same expense. They each benefit from the research and health testing that went into planning the litter. All my dogs are first and foremost companions anything else that they do is bonus so my prices are based on their primary purpose, companions. My price is driven by the cost of living and therefore breeding in my area. I do offer a $50 rebate for the completion of puppy kindergarten.

[JazzysMom]

All of the breeders we spoke to prior to getting Jazzy charged the same for show or pet. There was no difference in price. At that time -- 2 yrs ago-- the price was $800.

[YodelDogs]

I charge the same price for pet or show puppies for the same reasons lvoss mentioned. Why would I charge more for a puppy that will be shown? It is advantageous for a breeder to have their dogs out there in the show ring or in other performance avenues so people can see them. This works great for me since I can't do many shows/performance events myself. I also now have a policy where if someone appropriately titles their first Basenji obtained from me, I will *give* them a second Basenji.

[nomrbddgs]

Robyn, you can 'give' me a B any time. I love your B's. If I had known about Pippin and Baron I would have requested one!!! I think they are both fabulous. And the puppies were gorgeous!!

[Quercus]

<<I also now have a policy where if someone appropriately titles their first Basenji obtained from me, I will *give* them a second Basenji.>>

Wow! That is really cool! Nice policy Robyn :)

[Basenji_Boy]

I know a breeder that charges different prices for "Show Quality" and "Pets".

I know another that claims they're all show quality and all can be finished so the price is the same.


I like the buy one, finish it and get one free.........very generous indeed:) .

[JazzysMom]

It doesn't seem quite right, since "show quality" is not a guarantee, is it?

I mean, if you pay more for show quality and your dog bombs out at showing, do you get a refund?

There are pups that show promise, but don't turn out quite as ideally as you may expect and others that don't look quite so hot at 12 weeks but wind up knocking your socks off at 12 mos.

Is it really *right* to charge more for potential?

[tanza]

It doesn't seem quite right, since "show quality" is not a guarantee, is it?

I mean, if you pay more for show quality and your dog bombs out at showing, do you get a refund?

There are pups that show promise, but don't turn out quite as ideally as you may expect and others that don't look quite so hot at 12 weeks but wind up knocking your socks off at 12 mos.

Is it really *right* to charge more for potential?

Should be built into the contract that is the pup doesn't "pan" out as a show puppy you do get money back... as least that is what I have seen. Remember also, breeders judge puppies at 8wks which accordingly is supposed to be what they will be as a adult... so that is when 99% of breeders judge their pups for show quality. They can and do go through that grow stage and many get pretty ugly (for lack of a better phrase)... but then come back together... and it might not be till they are 3 or 4... Also many that are sold as show puppies the contract also says if "you" as the owner can't or don't want to finish the pup, you will make said pup available to the breeder for showing...

As breeders in judging potential of pups.. it is not an exact science....

[JazzysMom]

Should be built into the contract that is the pup doesn't "pan" out as a show puppy you do get money back... as least that is what I have seen. . . . Also many that are sold as show puppies the contract also says if "you" as the owner can't or don't want to finish the pup, you will make said pup available to the breeder for showing...
As breeders in judging potential of pups.. it is not an exact science....


Okay, that makes more sense.


Lucky for me, Jumoke charged the same.

With Jazzy, I got a "pet" that turned into a show girl -- he showed her, not me.

Keoki, regardless of how truly stunning he really is ;) , is destined for pet-hood per my husband. Which is fine, because all we ever wanted was a dog to snuggle and hike with!:D

[Duke]

Keoki, regardless of how truly stunning he really is ;) , is destined for pet-hood per my husband. Which is fine, because all we ever wanted was a dog to snuggle and hike with!:D
You have two (2) really beautiful Basenjis. How wonderful that you and family made room for three (3) deserving pets - and with Jazzy a show winner! Hat's off to you and your amazing large family! Truly . . . :)