So MUCH pee!

[JazzysMom]

How can one 12 lb puppy make so much pee?

The real question I have is not so much about quantity, but -- style?

None of my female dogs did this, and it's been 17 yrs since my last male puppy and I don't remember anything about his puppyhood, so maybe it's a male thing?

When Keoki pees outside, he stands and pees in one spot. Great -- gets praise and a treat.
When Keoki pees INside, he leaves a trail. . . a long, long trail. :eek: The last one, a few minutes ago went from in my laundry room, through the kitchen, into the {carpeted} hall. I bet it was a 10 foot long trail of pee. And not just droplets, but a solid trail with two puddles. He leaves theses trails every time he pees in the house.:(

Is that normal? :confused:

Not only is it a pain to clean up, but it's really getting annoying, and dh -- who we affectionately call Felix Unger --- is really getting fed up :mad: .

[tanza]

I have never had a B-boy to that... however in your other post you note that Jazzy is in season?... the can and will change behaviors in males even as young as Keoki.... Has he always done this? Or is this maybe something new with the bitch in season....?

[JazzysMom]

Hmmmm, good question. We've only had him a little over a week,but yes.... it has been mostly the last few days that he's been 'trailing" everywhere.

Definitely a thought.

[tanza]

Well, IMO, this could be a reaction to your girl being in season... while he is still quite young... the odor that she gives off could be a reason... That is about the only thing that I can think of ...... do you notice when he is outside, does he look for or find her pee?....
Sometimes males will "walk" and pee as puppies... mostly cause they are not really even thinking about what they are doing... but honestly, I have had more problems with bitches leaving a trail....

[JazzysMom]

Yes, he does always find her pee, so you may very well be on the right track here. Annoying, but at least it makes some sense of things for me.

[luzmery928]

FYI Champ is 1 year old and fixed but when I take him out for his walks he sometimes does this as well. He starts peeing and then starts walking away as he continues peeing, and yes it's a whole lotta pee.

[JazzysMom]

Okay. Now I need help. Keoki is still peeing in the house, every day, some days multiple times and often just after he's already gone potty.
He is still making those long trails of pee all the way across whatever room he is in.

I have been unable to confine him to a smaller space simply because he manages to climb every barrier I use and I don't have the extra cash to go buy more -- I'd already bought what I though would suffice. He does have access, then, to the living room, dining room, office, and kitchen. He pees in all rooms, often from one to the other.

Other than keeping him in his kennel for a week and only letting him out to potty -- which would be really hard with the entire family here all day,and him SCREAMING the way he does for hours on end when he is kenneled alone, and I'm not sure I could take it -- I don't know what to do.

We take him out every 40 minutes or so ; we always make sure he has just peed before bringing him back in. He gets treats and praise for going potty outside.
He doesn't appear to "trail" outside; he stands in one spot and pees, so this "trailing" is just indoors. I'm ready to put a diaper on him and give up.

Otherwise, he is an awesome puppy and we have no other problems with him, other than normal puppy stuff like trying to steal our food, LOL. He is smart and learns other things really quickly -- like responding to the clicker; he had that down in about three clicks. Now he'll stop doing anything when he hears it and come sit by me.

I have hung bells by the back door, but am not sure exactly how to teach him to bump them to let me know he wants out.

Words of wisdom? I am soooooooooooooooo tired of stepping in and cleaning up pee~! I've never had a dog this hard to house train before.
Oh -- he is 4 mos old.

[JazzysMom]

I should add -- at 4 mos I don't expect him to be accident free. But daily, multiple pees, sometimes in fairly rapid succession? I have a problem with.

[Quercus]

Has he been checked for a UTI? That does seem like a lot of pee for his age. Though Ariel was doing the same thing about a month ago, and now she rarely has an accident in the house.

I am guessing that he doesn't know when he has to go yet, so the bells won't help all that much.

But to train him to use them, you start by putting a little dab of PB, or a treat on them, and when he bumps them, click/treat. After a couple times don't put the PB on, just click/treat when he bumps them. Then after a few times of that, c/t and open door when he rings. After a couple days of that, just open door. If you have to, you can open door and throw treat out so he goes thru. It takes me about ten minutes to train a puppy to ring the bells, but it is hard to explain in writing...the feeling of when to move up to the next criteria. But the general rule is once you feel he "has it" move up to the next criteria. hope that helps....

[JazzysMom]

Okay, I'll give that a try...tomorrow. Today we'll have a house ful of kids running in and out and it'll be too hectic.

No, he hasn't been checked for UTI. I suppose I should do that. He's so active and happy, I guess any kind of infection just didn't cross my mind. I would have expected behavioral changes, too.

[Quercus]

Okay, I'll give that a try...tomorrow. Today we'll have a house ful of kids running in and out and it'll be too hectic.

No, he hasn't been checked for UTI. I suppose I should do that. He's so active and happy, I guess any kind of infection just didn't cross my mind. I would have expected behavioral changes, too.

It probably isn't at UTI...at this age that is more common in girl puppies. But with unexplained urination, it is usually the first thing to check. And, no...often you don't see any behavioral changes until they are QUITE ill. The first symptom is inablitlity to hold urine.

But again, this is most likely just him, and his pace at house training. I remember thinking a month ago "is this puppy EVER going to be house trained?" and then suddenly she stopped peeing in the house :) She still will occasionally go in her crate. And occasionally she will dribble when she wakes up, but she can stop the flow, and we get her outside to finish. She is about a month older than Keoki, I think.

[tanza]

I remember when my Fatia was a puppy, when she was teething, she totally forgot what housetraining was... and that lasted about 2/3 wks, she peed everyplace!

[JazzysMom]

Sigh. Okay. I'll hang in there. Thank God my floors are hardwood and tile {except the office}. Easy clean-up.

DH is in San Diego for two weeks, and it'll be great if Keoki can catch on to this while Daddy is away. We joke that Dh is "Felix Unger", so this pee all over the floor is really hard for him to take. LOL But he grits his teeth and bears it.

[Duke]

We take him out every 40 minutes or so ; we always make sure he has just peed before bringing him back in. He gets treats and praise for going potty outside.
He doesn't appear to "trail" outside; he stands in one spot and pees, so this "trailing" is just indoors. I'm ready to put a diaper on him and give up
OMG! I'm still having problems with Daisy! (almost 5 mos) She goes out after nap, play, eating, every 40 minutes or so. I/we take her out around the yard and perimeter spending plenty of time and opportunity for her to do her business when sometimes she does nothing - UNTIL - she gets in the house - and she is sneaky - because she will do it when our heads are turned! She's quick! We've even put her on the 30 ft. cable and let her run for about 30 mins a few times a day if she hasn't done it with the walk. I am at my wits end about this and my carpet. My entire house is hardwood except the FR which is where she goes! Geesh - I'm also tired of paying for so much paper towel and Nature's Miracle. I keep thinking positive thoughts . . . "It will be any time soon when she's completely trained."

Duke was much easier to train b/c he'd always pee when we were looking and we could catch him to teach him outside. I'm so glad you brought this up. Andrea, thanks for explaining how to train using bells. I thought last week, to go and get some at the craft store, but wasn't sure how to train with them.

[JazzysMom]

So, we're in it together, Jill. LOL And I'm with you on the paper towels thing! I buy the big ones in the huge pack from Costco and it seems like I'm buying a pack every two weeks, but still having to grab a smaller pack from the grocery store before the two weeks is quite up! {Doesn't help that the kids get carried away with the number of paper towels used per accident. Everyone is afraid of touching the pee. }

The frustrating thing with Keoki is that we NEVER let him back in the house until we SEE him pee, and give praise. Then the little sh*t will come in and pee again within five minutes....sometimes. I just can't see a pattern.

Twice today he peed, just as I was saying, "I'm gonna run Keoki out". Argh, so close!! I am SO DESPERATELY hoping the bells thing works!

[Duke]

And I'm with you on the paper towels thing! I buy the big ones in the huge pack from Costco and it seems like I'm buying a pack every two weeks, but still having to grab a smaller pack from the grocery store before the two weeks is quite up! {Doesn't help that the kids get carried away with the number of paper towels used per accident. Everyone is afraid of touching the pee.
Same here - Costco's brand is wonderful - but still I'm sick of having to go thru so much. My son is extremely sensitive to pee on anything (yuck!) so he grabs the whole roll too! :D Whatever, as long as he's helpful. He is also quick to grab the bottle of Nature's Miracle without asking.

The frustrating thing with Keoki is that we NEVER let him back in the house until we SEE him pee, and give praise. Then the little sh*t will come in and pee again within five minutes....sometimes. I just can't see a pattern.

Twice today he peed, just as I was saying, "I'm gonna run Keoki out". Argh, so close!! I am SO DESPERATELY hoping the bells thing works!
Yes, it's SO frustrating. Our situations are so similar. I hope the bells thing works too. Tomorrow morning I'll go buy them and try Andrea's method. I can't wait to close this chapter. If they weren't so darn cute . . . :(

[Quercus]

Keep in mind that the bells won't work until the dog KNOWS they have to go potty. They might not be there yet...Ariel is just barely there...she still forgets about 25% of the time. Of course it doesn't hurt to train them to ring the bells now, so that when they do mature to the point they know when they need to go out, they are ready to tell you.

I feel your pain...Ariel just peed on the couch a few hours ago :(

[Duke]

I feel your pain...Ariel just peed on the couch a few hours ago :(
Uhhh! Thanks! I feel your pain too. I'll start training her on the bells - not expecting a miracle. Thanks!

[tanza]

Thank goodness I have a doggy door..... in fact, 2 doggy doors, love it when they run out one and back in the other!!!

[JazzysMom]

OUr back door is a sliding door and dh doesn't care for the sliding glass dog doors. And frankly, they make me uncomfortable where we live -- next to woods w/raccoons in the yard, in broad daylight -- walking up the driveway while the kids are shooting hoops out there!!! . At our old place we had a dog door and had a stray cat that used to come in all the time at night, LOL. I'm afraid the raccoons would come in through a doggy door here.

[tanza]

We have coons too and way to many, but they don't come in the yard any longer.... and you can always close off the door at night... One of the ones I use is not attached to the slider, so we only (or we used to) take it out when we are out and at night.... don't bother much any more doing it..
I am surprised that the coons are anywhere in the day time since they are night creatures... that is odd. I alway thought that coons out during the day light would be consider to have health issues?

[JazzysMom]

So did we.... until a few years ago! LOL

The dog door would make me uneasy even in daylight because we've had coons in the garage in the afternoon.

Once my dd walked out the front door to the garage and said, "Hey! What are you doing out here?". Took a few steps toward the garage and then rapidly turned and came back to the front door. What she had thought was our gray/black cat in the garage was a raccoon! LOL
They'll sit in the tree right behind our bball hoop and eat the bird seed {they love sunflower seeds, BTW} while the kids are playing ball.

Last week there was a huge coyote just outside our back yard fence, at 1 PM. I thought they were nocturnal, also. Now I don't let my kids play in those woods just off our yard anymore w/out big people.
I guess the more we incroach on their environment, the more we're changing their behaviors.

[Vanessa]

JazzysMom I fully understand your agony with this issue. Chance is going on 6 mts now and he still has accidents. Not too long ago Alex and I were playing keep away with him and he decided to just stop in the middle and pee while looking at me! GGGGRRRRR. If he gets really excited and does a B-500, expect a pee trail. He just loves to run and jump on our bed and dig the pillows while leaving his mark there too! GGGRRR
Yah..it drives me crazy.
I've talked to a few others and they said its a "boy thing" I guess he just gets too excited and can't control it. Still....I am about to strap a diaper on him cuz I am getting tired of finding stains.

[lvoss]

This is a puppy thing. When puppies get really excited, like during play they sometimes have to pee. When they are very distracted by things like play they forget to ask to go out. When you play with your puppy you should expect that they will need to go out and that they are going to forget to ask so if you have an idea of about how much play they can handle before they will need to pee invite them outside before you hit that time. If you aren't quite sure then start with after 1-2 minutes of hard play invite them outside to pee. Be sure that when they come back in that you continue the play the session so they learn that even if they take a pee break they can come back and to their play session.

[JazzysMom]

>>This is a puppy thing. When puppies get really excited, like during play >>they sometimes have to pee. When they are very distracted by things like >>play they forget to ask to go out.

Not always the case. I mean, I know that play time will bring on pee time, and we do take him out after a few minutes of good play.

However, Keoki will often leave his pee trail AFTER coming in AFTER peeing outside! Or when he's only been in from his last pee for less than half an hour. And yes, we always make sure he pees plenty out side before coming in.

The "puppy thing" I can deal with. It's the "random pee thing" that is getting to me. Like Vanessa, I'm about to go for the pampers cuz I'm sick of finding -- usually be stepping in -- trails of pee that I didn't see him making because I was cooking, or carrying laundry, talking to the child who'd just brought him in etc.

[tanza]

I still think you need to check him for a UTI and they are not always that easy to find... The random pee would be a concern to me also... especially after just peeing outside, however, boy dogs are known for "not finishing" and running off to "dribble" more... but what you are saying certainly sounds more then just "dribble"....

[lvoss]

If you are taking him out to pee and then he is coming inside and peeing more, I would definately be looking into something like a UTI. Is Jazzy still in season?

[JazzysMom]

No, she is not still in season. I guess I was "letting it go" {no pun intended} because that had been brought up, but she's all done and he's still going.

I plan to call the vet tomorrow -- I need to call about Gypsy,too because she's been really limping and having a hard time moving. She looks awful and keeps staring at me like she wonders why I'm not helping. It's awful. I have no idea what she did; I see and feel no injury. My poor baby.

[nala121498]

Keep us posted on your gals!

[TuckerVA]

I'd be interested to see what the vet says. I adopted Tucker from BRAT August of '06. He was almost 4yrs when I got him. For the first 6 months he was peeing, and, initially, it was trails. Trails across the sofa, trails across the floor, and, one trail across the bed. I figured it would stop after a while, but it didn't for a LONG time. On one occasion, I had just taken him out to pee, and he did, and then left him for an HOUR and came back to a puddle in the kitchen. At this point I was convinced that it was separation anxiety or just outright spite for being left alone. I focused on my relationship with the dog and becoming the 'pack leader'. August will mark the year point and he has only peed in the house once for over 3 months now. I don't know if this relates all that much to your issue aside from him being a male and leaving a trail (ha ha, rhymes!). Perhaps once your's is more acceptable to you leaving him alone and knowing you are coming back, he'll stop peeing everywhere. I feel your frustration, trust me, I do. I have a lovely faux microsuede sofa and he couldn't just pee on one cushion. He had to get all three back cushions, which, of course, drained onto the seat cushions, and then down the crack between the chaise and the long sofa soaking the sides of both. Cleanup took DAYS!

[TuckerVA]

I forgot to mention that his 'alone time' has changed a lot over a progression of time. I felt bad for leaving him alone all day so I let him have the run of the house aside from by bedroom and the spare. He is not destructive at all under normal circumstances. He peed exclusively on soft surfaces. Never the hardwood, always the sofa or carpet but he perferred the sofa. I left my room door open once and he peed on my duvet and subsequently shredded the spot where he peed to try to 'hide the evidence' I suspect. Thankfully, he never shredded my sofa but he did pull up carpet where he peed. First, I confined him to the kitchen but he was still peeing in there. No biggee, but still a pain in the arse because I wanted to get to the bottom of the reasoning behind it. Then I put him on the balcony during the days (my mutt is NOT a jumper nor a climber aside from bed and sofa). He still pees on a pillow I have on the balcony from time to time and I suspect a part of the reason he pees in the kitchen from time to time is because he can't see outside at all.

[Duke]

I'd be interested to see what the vet says. I adopted Tucker from BRAT August of '06. He was almost 4yrs when I got him. For the first 6 months he was peeing, and, initially, it was trails. Trails across the sofa, trails across the floor, and, one trail across the bed. I figured it would stop after a while, but it didn't for a LONG time. On one occasion, I had just taken him out to pee, and he did, and then left him for an HOUR and came back to a puddle in the kitchen. At this point I was convinced that it was separation anxiety or just outright spite for being left alone. I focused on my relationship with the dog and becoming the 'pack leader'. August will mark the year point and he has only peed in the house once for over 3 months now. I don't know if this relates all that much to your issue aside from him being a male and leaving a trail (ha ha, rhymes!). Perhaps once your's is more acceptable to you leaving him alone and knowing you are coming back, he'll stop peeing everywhere. I feel your frustration, trust me, I do. I have a lovely faux microsuede sofa and he couldn't just pee on one cushion. He had to get all three back cushions, which, of course, drained onto the seat cushions, and then down the crack between the chaise and the long sofa soaking the sides of both. Cleanup took DAYS!
I just read this Tucker - For a 4 year old, it must be extremely frustrating. I've read elsewhere that a vet should check for a Urinary Tract Infection (UTI). I hope you've had him checked out. When you take him outside, reward him for doing his duties there with verbal happy talk. I've said the nastiest things to Daisy in a happy upbeat voice - She thinks I'm happy for her peeing outside (which is good), but I'm actually getting out my frustrations! :D :D Also, try picking up or limiting the water if you're leaving the house. Cleaning up pee every time you turn around is aweful! I can imagine how hard it was to clean your sofa. Poor you! It is hard work to train this important milestone. Keep at it and be consistent with an eye on the clock for timing. I think dogs like consistency with a schedule. They have built in clocks - don't you think?

[JazzysMom]

Keoki is doing better. Not great, but better. MOST *accidents* happen somewhere in the vicinity of the backdoor: MOST.

Evening -- in the time between say 7 - 8 PM -- is when he seems most likely to pee in the house. It's weird. I try to be very diligent about putting him outside at that time.

And he still freaks out and pees ALL OVER in his crate when left for any time during the day. At night he sleeps in the crate w/out peeing.

Monday night my husband had a committee meeting here. About mid-point in the meeting Keoki decided to trot all the way around the dining table where they were meeting. I didn't realize at the time, but the whole time he was trotting, he was peeing! LOL He totally surrounded them with urine!

I was cracking up, and the other people seemed amused {I think they are all dog owners}. Dh was totally embarrassed as I crawled around the floor wiping it all up. He WAS able to laugh about it later . . . sort of. :-)

[Duke]

I was cracking up, and the other people seemed amused {I think they are all dog owners}. Dh was totally embarrassed as I crawled around the floor wiping it all up. He WAS able to laugh about it later . . . sort of. :-)
Ha ha ha!! I got a visual here and it cracked me up too! It's almost normal (for us with puppies), crawling around - soaking it up - spraying and cleaning some more . . . (what else can you do?) At least your guests were amused. Glad for you that Keoki is doing much better with the potty training.

Also, Daisy is doing better. Way less messes, but she's not quite DONE with it. The last few times I mentioned to DH "It's been a while now since Daisy's peed in the house". I turn around and I step in wet spot! "Where's the Nature's Miracle?" While I soak up the pee, DH and son are scrambling around looking for the bottle - he he! :rolleyes: Two bottles, 1 upstairs and 1 down used to be within arms reach.

I wasn't real successful with the training bells. I had them on the doorwall handle - they were always getting smashed in the door upon closing, so they're removed for now. I hope to try them again another time.

[nomrbddgs]

Hmmm, Damisi decided the other day it was too wet to go outside and peed in the house-first time in a month. Guess she's got the 'wet feet' syndrome!

[mhergom]

Hello,

I have an eight-month female, She is peeing at least 5th times per day. Many times she waits t o be back home to make pee. I do not know what to do I am getting crazy with pees I had nightmares

Thanks in advance for your help

[tanza]

Hello,

I have an eight-month female, She is peeing at least 5th times per day. Many times she waits t o be back home to make pee. I do not know what to do I am getting crazy with pees I had nightmares

Thanks in advance for your help

If she is not spayed, she may be in season and they do pee lots more (marking behaviors).... and this can and does start before you even might see bleeding. 5 times a day is not that much really....