Vegas
06-11-2007, 07:19 PM
Started to avoid a total thread hijack.
AKC is a business that makes money registering dogs. It's easier to make money off of somebody that registers 1000 dogs/year, than it is to make money off of somebody who registers 5 dogs/year. People who think that having papers means anything about health, or quality are fooling themselves. All it means is "yep, you bought a basenji".
Those puppymills in MO convinced me that the AKC is total crap. I would never give them a dime of my money. In the words of tommy boy "really all you've bought is a guaranteed piece of crap."
That may be okay for you to say, but we as breeders and responsible dog owners to try to follow a little bit of protocol. You may not want to give them a dime of your money, but we have to as being responsible people. I'm not saying what you said is not true, but then again, if you research any breed, you'll find puppy mills all over the world. With and without health guarantees, anyone can be a byb. It is really up to the person to research. If you've had trouble, you can't blame anyone but yourself for not doing the research properly.
AKC papers mean something if you know what you are looking at. When you buy a puppy from Permanently ID'd parents with OFA and CERF results you will see those results published on the papers of your puppy. If the parents have a DNA profile with AKC so you can prove the parentage of your puppy the profile number will be listed on the papers.
So you are right, if your AKC papers say nothing more that Sire Name and Number, Dam Name and Number and your puppy's basic description then you don't have a whole lot. If on the other hand you have AKC papers with Sire + health clearances + DNA Profile and Dam + health clearances + DNA profile then you have more than a piece of crap.
I agree with you completely. I believe that the AKC has a monopoly though. When you read the trade publications for the puppymills, and dog auction services it is the AKC that is often buying the most expensive ads.
They are inadvertantly supporting the puppy mills/commercial dog farms through their advertising.
All that the novice knows about buying a dog is that if it has "papers" it is worth more, because they are held to standards that should guarantee "something". However, the AKC certifies them as purebred, even though they may have been bred with the worst possible standards in mind. I saw Italian Greyhounds that had the genetic defect that causes them to loose the front portion of their lower jaw that were AKC Certified. The puppies that they were breeding were of course certified also. Hence my reference to a certified piece of crap.
Vegas
AKC is a business that makes money registering dogs. It's easier to make money off of somebody that registers 1000 dogs/year, than it is to make money off of somebody who registers 5 dogs/year. People who think that having papers means anything about health, or quality are fooling themselves. All it means is "yep, you bought a basenji".
Those puppymills in MO convinced me that the AKC is total crap. I would never give them a dime of my money. In the words of tommy boy "really all you've bought is a guaranteed piece of crap."
That may be okay for you to say, but we as breeders and responsible dog owners to try to follow a little bit of protocol. You may not want to give them a dime of your money, but we have to as being responsible people. I'm not saying what you said is not true, but then again, if you research any breed, you'll find puppy mills all over the world. With and without health guarantees, anyone can be a byb. It is really up to the person to research. If you've had trouble, you can't blame anyone but yourself for not doing the research properly.
AKC papers mean something if you know what you are looking at. When you buy a puppy from Permanently ID'd parents with OFA and CERF results you will see those results published on the papers of your puppy. If the parents have a DNA profile with AKC so you can prove the parentage of your puppy the profile number will be listed on the papers.
So you are right, if your AKC papers say nothing more that Sire Name and Number, Dam Name and Number and your puppy's basic description then you don't have a whole lot. If on the other hand you have AKC papers with Sire + health clearances + DNA Profile and Dam + health clearances + DNA profile then you have more than a piece of crap.
I agree with you completely. I believe that the AKC has a monopoly though. When you read the trade publications for the puppymills, and dog auction services it is the AKC that is often buying the most expensive ads.
They are inadvertantly supporting the puppy mills/commercial dog farms through their advertising.
All that the novice knows about buying a dog is that if it has "papers" it is worth more, because they are held to standards that should guarantee "something". However, the AKC certifies them as purebred, even though they may have been bred with the worst possible standards in mind. I saw Italian Greyhounds that had the genetic defect that causes them to loose the front portion of their lower jaw that were AKC Certified. The puppies that they were breeding were of course certified also. Hence my reference to a certified piece of crap.
Vegas