Throwing Up

[Arizonaskyy]

Hello everyone. I am new to this forum and I am a first time "B" owner. I have had her for a week now and I am absolutely in love with her. But let me get to the point. I feed her twice a day morning and night. Since I have had her she has thrown up 3 or 4 of her meals. I don't believe that its the whole meal but its a good portion. I have recently given her a raw egg in her dinner and she doesn't throw-up when I give her the egg.

I am wondering if this is something I should be concerned about? She is our new baby and I want to make sure that she is happy and healthy. Any suggestions?

[tanza]

Hello everyone. I am new to this forum and I am a first time "B" owner. I have had her for a week now and I am absolutely in love with her. But let me get to the point. I feed her twice a day morning and night. Since I have had her she has thrown up 3 or 4 of her meals. I don't believe that its the whole meal but its a good portion. I have recently given her a raw egg in her dinner and she doesn't throw-up when I give her the egg.

I am wondering if this is something I should be concerned about? She is our new baby and I want to make sure that she is happy and healthy. Any suggestions?

How old is she? Has she had a vet check up? If so, when? Has she had her shots yet? If so what and when? Is this different food than what she was use to before you got her? Changing food can often cause lots of tummy upset. Depending on her age you might want to make 3 meals... and do you know how much she was eating? Vomiting is always a concern as it leads to dehydration

[Arizonaskyy]

Thank you for your response. She is 2 years old. She was just checked out by a vet before we adopted her last week. The vet says that she is in good health. She is a "B" mix (mostly "B" though) and is a little bigger, she is about 40lbs. I feed her 1 1/2 cups each meal. This was the recommendation from the rescue I got her from. She doesn't always eat all her food right away, sometimes she spreads the meal across a few hours. She doesn't drink and excessive amount of water, but she does have a healthy drinking appetite. She always has plenty of energy and is super happy. but I am wondering why she doesn't throw-up when I mix the egg into her meal.

[tanza]

I would doubt that the egg has anything to do with it.... I would decrease the food and if she doesn't eat it within 10/15 minutes pick up what is not eaten.... I don't believe in free feeding, as I don't think it is health for dogs... they are not grazing animals and are not really designed for all day eating. I would see if that helps.

[achandl2]

I agree. Leaving the food out all day isn't a good idea because, unlike us, dogs don't receive the signal telling them that they are full. What usually happens is a dog will eat and eat and become overweight. Don't worry if she doesn't eat right away the first couple of times, she won't starve herself. She will learn if she doesn't eat right away the food won't be there. Also, at 40 lbs you might want to consider feeding her 1 cup twice a day. At 2 years old her metabolism might be slowing down and she doesn't need to eat that much food. Rascal, our mix, is around 39 lbs and thats what I do for her. Hope that helps.

[nomrbddgs]

I too agree. I think she's eating too much. Just for an example, my boxer gets four cups-but she's extremely active and is 18 mos. My heeler who is approx 55 lbs isn't as active and only gets about 1 and a half cups a day. And she's pretty heavy still. Like pat said if they don't eat within 10-15 min. pick it up.

[jys1011]

Lots of good points here...she may just be over eating. Try smaller meals during the day.

You didn't say if you had changed her food from what she was eating at the shelter. This could be a reason too.

[Arizonaskyy]

Thank you for all the great advise. I have changed her to one cup in the morning and one cup at night. I am still putting and egg in and she eats everything right away. I haven't had her throw-up in about 3 meals now so I would say that I am on a roll.

I will keep my fingers crossed. :)

[nomrbddgs]

The egg usually isn't a problem.

[nobarkus]

Under feeding is always better for health anyway. Is the stomach bloated?

[Arizonaskyy]

No, she seems happy and healthy.

[Vanessa]

Lately Chance has been throwing up too. I cant figure this out. Some mornings right before I get up he starts making those gagging sounds so I rush him to the bathroom. Just today after taking him outside to potty he started making those sounds again. Thank god he is loud. It gives me time to grab a bowl and set it down right in front of him (less mess)
Is this normal??? His puke ranges from liquid to his food. We feed him 3 times a day and it is measured out. Nothing in his diet has changed and he hasn't gotten into anything.
Hhhhmmmm

[tanza]

Lately Chance has been throwing up too. I cant figure this out. Some mornings right before I get up he starts making those gagging sounds so I rush him to the bathroom. Just today after taking him outside to potty he started making those sounds again. Thank god he is loud. It gives me time to grab a bowl and set it down right in front of him (less mess)
Is this normal??? His puke ranges from liquid to his food. We feed him 3 times a day and it is measured out. Nothing in his diet has changed and he hasn't gotten into anything.
Hhhhmmmm

Is his eating habits still normal? How long has this been going on? Liquid I would guess is just bile in the gut.. however, how long after he eats does he throw up food? I also think he is old enough to be on 2 meals a day...

[Arizonaskyy]

Update:
I ran out of eggs yesterday, so she didn't get any with her dinner last night. When I woke up this morning she was heaving, a couple mins later she threw-up her dinner from the night before. She seemed just fine afterwards though. So I didn't give her breakfast this morning, I am going to get some eggs on the way home from lunch and give her, her food then. I am still confused about the egg thing.

[nomrbddgs]

What kind of food are you feeding her?? The egg may be coating the food and that's why she isn't throwing up when she eats it with egg. You may need to change her food again. Also How many times a day is she pooping and how is her poop. (gross thoughts, I know)

[Vanessa]

Is his eating habits still normal? How long has this been going on? Liquid I would guess is just bile in the gut.. however, how long after he eats does he throw up food? I also think he is old enough to be on 2 meals a day...

Tanza:
We have been feeding Chance 1/2 cup 3 times a day. I was thinking that it was about time to cut back to 2 times a day since he is 6mts now. The vet said his weight is purfect and he isn't tubby. He said it was fine to keep doing that. What do you think. 1 cup 2times a day from now on?

As for the throwing up...it's not after he eats. Honestly...its usually first thing in the morning before he even eats breakfast. After he pukes, he eats his food like nothing happened. Yesterday he puked a few hrs after lunch. He still had food in his bowl then ate somemore. It doesn't happen all the time. If I had to give a time amount...maybee 1-2 times a month. Sometimes the consistency is food but then again...it can sometimes be liquid. Especially if it is first thing in the morning. I believe the morning puke is bile which is tough as heck to get out of the carpet!

[nomrbddgs]

Chance's puking is what I would say is normal for a Basenji. If Shadow or Sugar get an empty stomach they puke too. What times are you feeding him? A lot of B's puke when they get an empty stomach.

[Vanessa]

Chance's puking is what I would say is normal for a Basenji. If Shadow or Sugar get an empty stomach they puke too. What times are you feeding him? A lot of B's puke when they get an empty stomach.

I didin't know that they would puke on an empty stomach. Ha! He is really good about staying in the same place when he gets sick. Im able to stick a bowl under him to get the mess.
Thanks nomrbddgs

[nomrbddgs]

Sugar gets this look on her face, runs around in a circle and then flys outside to puke!! Shadow stands there and pukes.

[Mantis]

My best friend has worked at a vet for years and here is what she has always told me.....if your pet throws up more than 3x in one day, take it to the vet.
if it doesnt, wait and watch....

flourescent vomit is usually from chewing up grass. No biggie. They will try to re-eat it.

eating grass in the yard with cause them to immediately throw up, sometimes they eat grass to make themselves throw up (bad to do, giardia can be caught this way if they are eating grass that has been peed on by another animal)

arizona, I would stop with the eggs and start feeding boiled chicken. If you want to throw an egg with the chicken, it shouldnt matter. If your pup handles the boiled chicken without throwing up, maybe it is the food you have been using.

If it isnt the chicken and throwup continues, it could be something going on with your pup....

The best thing to do is try to elimanate outside influences first to narrow down your possibilities.

what are you using for food?

[Vanessa]

we have been feeding Chance Nutro Nugget since we brought him home. He loves it.

[Arizonaskyy]

Thanks again for all the great advise. We have been feeding her Purina One Sensitive Stomach. I feed her one cup in the morning and one cup at dinner time. I would love to try something else, but my income doesn't allow me to afford the more expensive foods (I spend about $17.99 on a 20lbs bag). As far as boiled chicken, I wouldn't mind, because I love to cook, but chicken is sooooo expensive here in California. Its usually about $5.00 or more for a couple of breasts. :/

If anyone has any other suggestions or can recommend a food that is close to my budget, I would appreciate it.

thanks :)

[nomrbddgs]

There is a whole myriad of food out there-some are better than others. The big thing is to take a look at the ingredients. I used to feed nutro chicken and rice-Now I've gone to the Sensitive stomach chicken meal, oatmeal and rice. They seem to do okay on it.

[tanza]

I didin't know that they would puke on an empty stomach. Ha! He is really good about staying in the same place when he gets sick. Im able to stick a bowl under him to get the mess.
Thanks nomrbddgs

Known as the empty tummy syndrome... :D Many Basenjis do that first thing in the morning, especially puppy's... you might try a cookie right before bed time... And I would think that he is OK for 2x a day feeding... oh by the way.... if he is not finishing the food it should be taken away... 15/20 mins tops for eating, what is still not eaten is "gone".....

[tanza]

Thanks again for all the great advise. We have been feeding her Purina One Sensitive Stomach. I feed her one cup in the morning and one cup at dinner time. I would love to try something else, but my income doesn't allow me to afford the more expensive foods (I spend about $17.99 on a 20lbs bag). As far as boiled chicken, I wouldn't mind, because I love to cook, but chicken is sooooo expensive here in California. Its usually about $5.00 or more for a couple of breasts. :/

If anyone has any other suggestions or can recommend a food that is close to my budget, I would appreciate it.

thanks :)

Honestly, you will find with the better quality foods you will be feeding less and therefore not spending any more.... they will get more benefit out of a better quality food and less "waste".... As they say, you get what you pay for...

[Arizonaskyy]

:confused: Ok, I know this thread keeps going and going. I have not had her throw-up for about a week now. She is getting an egg with every meal. I have had a couple people tell me they are concerned that maybe its not a good idea to give her an egg everyday. However, when I ran out of eggs last week the throwing up started again. She really confuses me :confused: and I want to do what is best for her.

Any thoughts on the egg thing? Thank you again.

[Duke]

So you mix the egg in with the kibble? I know that an egg is protein packed and that may be what she needs. The lesser quality dog food has more grain and less protein (meat). I feed my B's 3/4 cup of dry Canidae twice a day. A 20# bag costs around $30, but it's worth it because the quality of the food is better, more protein (meat) and less grain. Animals digest protein slower and it fills them up longer. I feed them less food than I would with a lesser quality. Lately I've been mixing wet dog food (Merricks brand) 1/4 can, there is lots of yummy meat and gravy in them. They eat it all up right away so I don't have to worry about them being hungry all day. Pet Supplies Plus carries these dog food brands.

I remember now, somewhere there was a discussion about corn meal in dry dog foods that many dogs here have allergies or have trouble digesting it. If you check the ingredient label on your dogs dry kibble, check it to see if there is corn meal listed as one of the 1st three ingredients. Your dogs body may not be able to digest it. That might be what's making her throw up. (The egg offsets the ratio of cornmeal to protein)

On a separate note - If it costs a bit more than your budget allows, think how much your baby furkid means to you and consider how much a vet visit would cost. In the long run you'll be saving $$ and your dog a trip to the vet. You and your little furkid will be happier and healthier. ;)

[Arizonaskyy]

Ok. what you have said makes a lot of sense. I am currently feeding her Purina One Sensitive Systems.

- Salmon (natural source of glucosamine), brewers rice, pearled barley, oat meal, corn gluten meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), fish meal (natural source of glucosamine), salmon meal (source of fish oil), non-fat yogurt, animal digest, salt, potassium chloride, dicalcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, Vitamin E supplement, choline chloride, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.
D-4187

I will most likely change her food, but I need to finish this bag, before I do. My main concern is, Can I continue to give her the egg without hurting her?

Thanks

[tanza]

If she likes eggs, it certainly will not hurt her... many feed a totally raw diet and egg is included.... but I am not certain that it is every day...?

One thing about your Purnia that I would stay away from is the corn gluten meal... and animal fat is "anything".... I find it really "funny" that they would promote this for "sensitive" as corn is one of the biggest things that dogs have allergies to.... that and wheat...

[Duke]

Ok. what you have said makes a lot of sense. I am currently feeding her Purina One Sensitive Systems.

- Salmon (natural source of glucosamine), brewers rice, pearled barley, oat meal, corn gluten meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), fish meal (natural source of glucosamine), salmon meal (source of fish oil), non-fat yogurt, animal digest, salt, potassium chloride, dicalcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, Vitamin E supplement, choline chloride, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.
D-4187

I will most likely change her food, but I need to finish this bag, before I do. My main concern is, Can I continue to give her the egg without hurting her?

Thanks

I was mistaken about the price of the 20# bag. My husband bought the current 20# bag and he said it was $25. I usually buy the bigger bag, so I knew it was $30 something.

FYI - I am reading the ingredient label:

Chicken Meal, Turkey Meal, Brown Rice, White Rice, Lamb Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Meal, Flaxseed, Sun Cured Alfalfa, Sunflower Oil, Chicken, Lecithin, Monocalcium Phosphaste, Potassium Chloride . . . and the rest looks like herbs, root, vitamins and some other indescript things.

It also states above the ingredients label "No Corn, Wheat, Soy, Grain Fractions or Fillers - Naturally Preserved."

At least the 1st two ingredients are meat, and as you may know, ingredients are listed in the order of highest content.

When you plan to switch food, do it gradually by mixing in her current food with the new food during the span of a week, increasing the ratio of new food slowly. KWIM? That way, her system doesn't get upset with a sudden change. I am sure that Veteranarians and breeders would advise too.

[Duke]

Found this thread with a great resource for Dog Food. I found the link very informative.

http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=1499

[Arizonaskyy]

Thank you very much. I appreciate all the great advice.

[alexbaba]

i just started having the same problem with my 4 month old pure bread "B". any advice? i feed him 2 times day 1 cup morning and night and he has only been eating 1/2 a cup. he ate a diffrent brand dogs food a few days ago at a friends house but it was only 1 bit. could this be the problem?

[basenji3]

We had a problem with both our B's & vomiting. It became a ritual in the evening before dinner. Pee,eat grass vomit and then poop. It broke our hearts to see them both doing this. After discussion with our vet we put them on Purnia EN. It has made a world of difference in them, puking has gone to rarely. If your dog likes the taste of purnia this might work as ours were on purnia one lamb and rice before this. Its alittle pricey $35 for 20lbs and only available at vets which means my keeping a good eye on how much is on hand to co-ordinate with my vet's hours but they are worth it. Purnia EN is an enteric coated food and easy on the tummy. They will sometimes get cottage cheese, or boiled hamburg and rice for a little variety from plain kibble and for some added protein.

[lvoss]

Vomiting before eating, especially if it is yellow bile, is usually because of having an empty stomach. If I am late getting my dogs their breakfast or dinner they may throw up bile, especially Nicky and Rio who have fast metabolisms. You can try feeding a biscuit between meals to give them something in their stomach. Also, look at the ingredients in the food you are feeding because food allergies could also be a problem especially to grains with corn and wheat usually at the top of the list.

[JazzysMom]

i just started having the same problem with my 4 month old pure bread "B". any advice? i feed him 2 times day 1 cup morning and night and he has only been eating 1/2 a cup. he ate a diffrent brand dogs food a few days ago at a friends house but it was only 1 bit. could this be the problem?


Maybe you should try feeding him 3x a time until he's a little older. Try giving him 1/2 cup in the morning, 1/2 cup in the afternoon, and 1/2 cup at night.
See if that helps with the vomiting.

I wouldn't be concerned myself if my 4 mos old puppy wasn't eating a whole cup of food at one sitting. He may just be self-regulating.

Jazzy is 3 yrs old and won't eat more than 1/2 cup at a sitting. She knows her limits.

Neither of my two B's would have eaten 1 whole cup of food at one sitting at 4 mos old. I started them both on 3 feedings of 1/2 cup a day and worked them to 2 feedings by about 6 mos.
My adult B's eat -- Well, Jazzy eats about 1 cup of food a day {1/2 cup twice a day} plus treats, Keoki { 14 mos} eats 1 3/4 cups of food a day {1 cup in the AM, 3/4 in the PM} plus treats.

[alexbaba]

Dick Van Patten's is the brand of dog food i feed him. this is what was recommended by the breeder. do you think its a quality brand?

[lvoss]

Do you mean Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance?

Which formula are you feeding? They are a good food but their organic formulas do have grains which may not agree with all dogs. Even with good foods some dogs will do better on one formula and not on another.

[tanza]

i just started having the same problem with my 4 month old pure bread "B". any advice? i feed him 2 times day 1 cup morning and night and he has only been eating 1/2 a cup. he ate a diffrent brand dogs food a few days ago at a friends house but it was only 1 bit. could this be the problem?

That is alot for a pup, one cup in the morning and one at night... mine have never ate that much....... and I agree with splitting it up more... have you discussed with the breeder other then the type of food? I use the Natural Balance Potato and Duck and mine are doing great on it...

[alexbaba]

thanks everyone for the advise. i fed him some chicken soup with his dry food and he loved it and it has made him better after 2 meals. has not been throwing up the past 24 hr so hope it helps.

[nomrbddgs]

Do you mean Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance?

Which formula are you feeding? They are a good food but their organic formulas do have grains which may not agree with all dogs. Even with good foods some dogs will do better on one formula and not on another.


Too true Lisa! My Boxenji does pretty good on the Natural Balance fish and Sweet potatoe but cannot take the Duck and potato.