Breeding Plans

[nomrbddgs]

I have received all of Sugar's test results back. :) Sherwoods Something Sweet:
Fanconi results-Probably Clear/Normal
OFA hips-Good
Eyes have been tested

Sugar will be bred to Can/Nat/Int Ch Mankia's Kero Matata. While Sugar HATES to show (honestly, as soon as she knows she's being looked at she throws a hissy fit and pretends she's the worst thing in the world) (Pat-you may remember from the National at RI she was sleeping on the stand) She has some very good points. Kero is still showing in the US at 9 years of age and is winning. We should have reds and tri's out of this litter. Thank you again Robyn for all your help!:D

[LiveWWSD]

Oh Congrats on the results Arlene. Cant wait to hear how it all goes for you...do keep us updated. :)

[nomrbddgs]

I will keep you updated. Thank you. As Lisa said, I'm getting excited now!

[nomrbddgs]

Just an update here, Sugar has been bred and, hopefully, if all goes well the first due date is Dec. 24. We did three breedings, 23 min, 21 min, and 18 min. Sugar is showing some possessive signs so I'm hopeful the breeding took. The only thing I was concerned about is Kero's age (he's nine), but he is a proven stud. It also looks like I will probably take a trip down to Robyn's in the spring with the puppies, (again hopefully) so we can evaluate them together.

[tanza]

Just an update here, Sugar has been bred and, hopefully, if all goes well the first due date is Dec. 24. We did three breedings, 23 min, 21 min, and 18 min. Sugar is showing some possessive signs so I'm hopeful the breeding took. The only thing I was concerned about is Kero's age (he's nine), but he is a proven stud. It also looks like I will probably take a trip down to Robyn's in the spring with the puppies, (again hopefully) so we can evaluate them together.

9 is young... so don't worry about that age.... I bred Mickii to a 14 yr old (live cover) and we had 4 pups....

[lvoss]

When I had Nicky collected at 7 years old they said his semen quality was what they would have expected from a 3 year old. They also kept asking me if I was sure he wasn't really only 3 years old since there was no way he looked 7.

[nomrbddgs]

Well, I'm worried and I'm not-guess I'm too excited and have the 'can't wait' syndrome. Her waist is 14" I've been checking since the first breeding. As soon as it starts to expand I'll probably be skipping in the aisles.

[tanza]

Well, I'm worried and I'm not-guess I'm too excited and have the 'can't wait' syndrome. Her waist is 14" I've been checking since the first breeding. As soon as it starts to expand I'll probably be skipping in the aisles.

Honestly, on my maiden bitches, I never really noticed much of a difference between their girth until after 4wks or so. Are you doing an ultrasound at 30 days?

[nomrbddgs]

I don't think I will-simply because she gets easily, EASILY stressed. I definitely don't want a spontaneous abortion-been there, done that. I've already talked to the vet and he was not to worried about it either. He knows she stresses easily.

[nomrbddgs]

Sugar at 51 days. She's lost her tuck up, but that's about it. Unfortunately, I can't add a picture!

http://s540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/

[lvoss]

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/sugar51days.jpg

[lvoss]

Can you feel them moving?

[tanza]

Are you going to have her xrayed? It is always good to know how many you are expecting, especially if there are problems...

She looks pretty small (hard to tell in that picture) for 51 days... but some maiden bitches don't get to big. You should really start to see a big change in the next week ...

[nomrbddgs]

Just started feeling the moving, Lisa. She is very firm, but as said she is a maiden bitch.

Pat, I'm not going to have her x-rayed. I'm more concerned with her comfort that dragging her off to the vets and stressing her. She doesn't even like being put in the whelping area. Even though she'll sleep on the bed. It's day 58 and she's pretty well filled out. Her rib area has sprung wider and she's very full underneath. She is standing with her legs back and apart, so I know she has some puppies in there. I figure within the next 3 or 4 days she'll fill out further sideways. She seems to carry more downward than out. She had a great tuck up-very high and tight. She can't curl very well anymore either. I'll try to get a better pic within the next few days. With her first due date being the 24th, I still have a range as technically she could go up to Dec 31 without being late. Kero wasn't very interested in the last breeding though so I'm leaning towards the first or second due date.

[sharronhurlbut]

I can hardly wait for photos of the pups.

[lvoss]

Rally never showed much interest in her whelping box. The others in the house liked it quite a bit when the warming mat was turned on. She had no problem with it once the puppies were born but would pretty much just walk in turn around and leave until then.

Good luck with whelping it is a crazy day.

[nomrbddgs]

Lisa and Pat, I just added some updated photos of her belly here:

http://s540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/

Lisa, how did you transfer the image? I've tried but can't figure it out.

[lvoss]

Photobucket gives an img code you can copy for each pic.

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/CRIM0005.jpg

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/CRIM0002.jpg

[lvoss]

She definately looks more pregnant in these photos.

[nomrbddgs]

Yes, they were taken this am. Thanks, Lisa, I had to try it!

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/CRIM0003.jpg

[tanza]

Yes, she looks "normal" and preggers... in these pictures...

[lvoss]

Any puppy news?

[nomrbddgs]

Nope. Here she is at 65 days (last night) and still waiting. No signs. No nesting, no impatience, nothing. She's groaning a bit but that's it.

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/Sugar65.jpg

[lvoss]

The waiting drives me nuts even though I have done progesterone and known when they were going to deliver +/- a day.

[nomrbddgs]

I really hope she goes today or tomorrow, but it doesn't look good. Temp hasn't dropped either.

[Kebasmom]

I am so glad you folks are posting all this info about breeding and puppying (or whatever the technical name is - whelping?). I'm pretty sure that I'll be going through all this in a few years whenever my girl's breeder decides it's time. I also greatly appreciate the pictures.

[Nemo]

I am so glad you folks are posting all this info about breeding and puppying (or whatever the technical name is - whelping?). I'm pretty sure that I'll be going through all this in a few years whenever my girl's breeder decides it's time. I also greatly appreciate the pictures.

Hmmm, This situation hadn't crossed my mind for my soon-to-be new girl. If you don't mind me asking, did you discuss with your breeder at the time you got your girl that he/she might want to consider breeding her in the future? Is your dog co-owned with the breeder and was the possibility of breeding spelled out in the contract? If it works out I'm planning to show the new girl I'm getting this year but I was figuring she would be spayed right after she is done showing. I hadn't really thought of the possibility that the breeder would want to breed her (don't imagine that is likely but haven't asked). Something to add to my list of questions....

[Kebasmom]

Nemo, All of this was indeed discussed at the time I bought my puppy. I am showing her and she is co-owned by me and the breeder. The breeder will choose the stud and then take her pick when the litter is born. She has been great with guiding me when she can, and when she cannot, she has another person who has been a tremendous help to me. I am in no position at this time to choose studs or anything like that as I have just returned to the breed and showing in the last year so thank goodness for experienced reputable breeders!! I have no written contract. Everything is verbal.

[tanza]

I think that it is great that you have discussed all this with your breeder, Kebasmom.. but a word from the wise... you really want it written... even with a pet puppy with no "designs" for showing and breeding a contract is really an important thing... Not that it would or does solve all problems ... however it makes it very clear what each person (breeder and buyer) are thinking or expecting.

[tanza]

I really hope she goes today or tomorrow, but it doesn't look good. Temp hasn't dropped either.

None of my bitches ever really followed the "temp" thing...gggg.... They read their own books... but I can tell you that once they start digging/nesting you are getting close, usually within 8 to 10 hours... at least that is what mine did..

[nomrbddgs]

I wish I even had that Pat! But nada, nothing, zilch, zero! Her temp was 97.7 down about 1 degree-which is nothing. Her mucus plug has not come out, she just lays around with the puppies rolling around inside.

[Nemo]

I may regret this, but what is a mucus plug?

[bellabasenji]

The mucous plug is a collection of cervical mucus that seals the opening of the cervix. It keeps bacteria and infection from entering into the cervix, providing a protective barrier for the developing baby. When the mother looses the mucus plug it is a sign that it is nearing time for the labor to begin.:o

[Nemo]

You know, it constantly amazes me how a BYB could even think to breed a litter of puppies. Maybe I just freak out too much about knowing what I'm doing before I do something. I guess they just figure out the bitch knows what to do and it will work itself out naturally. I don't know. But I definitely have a healthy respect for all of the responsible breeders out there.

[Nemo]

Oh, and I forgot to say that I hope the whelping goes smoothly. It sounds like the waiting must be excrutiating.

[kiroja]

Fingers crossed Arlene! The waiting is such torture...

[nomrbddgs]

Hmmm, here it is morning of day 67 and first day of last breeding. Meaning, I bred her three times, two days apart each. This would make this 63 days from the last breeding. Since sperm is viable for up to three days after the breeding, the very last day should be Dec 31. All that happened yesterday was that she was upset she couldn't be with the other dogs, so she peed on the floor. I slept last night with feet in my face and groaning-not from DH, just from her! I hope she has them soon, only so much stinky butt and smelly feet I can stand!! (I'd rather smell puppy poo)

[Kebasmom]

I have to agree with Nemo. I would not want to go through this kind of thing by myself the first couple of times. I'd want to volunteer to help an experienced breeder do this and then have some experienced hands with me the first time I went through it.
Arlene, I hope you get some positive action today!! I look forward to hearing about it.

[nomrbddgs]

I do have an experienced breeder standing by to help with whelping. Although I have bred terriers, this is my first Basenji breeding. I don't ever recall this much waiting with the terrier!

[lvoss]

Since sperm is viable for up to three days after the breeding, the very last day should be Dec 31.

I hope that she doesn't make you wait that long, but fresh semen is viable longer than 3 days. Most of the reading I have done says around 7 days. Fresh chilled 2-3 days and the technology is improving. Frozen is only 12 hours.

[lvoss]

As for not waiting as long for terriers, their season aren't usually as long as a basenjis so you are not usually looking at such a long window. Rally almost always ovulated on day 10 of her heat, except the year of Sophie's litter. I drove down to Arizona when her progesterone started to look like it was rising but she backed off and waited a whole 'nother 10 days. Avongara Cole was very particular about when he would breed her so was about as good as a progesterone test in predicting when they pups were born. Nicky has also been as accurate as a progesterone test in letting us know when ovulation was. My mom's boy Levi would breed any girl in season ovulating or not.

[nomrbddgs]

I hope that she doesn't make you wait that long, but fresh semen is viable longer than 3 days. Most of the reading I have done says around 7 days. Fresh chilled 2-3 days and the technology is improving. Frozen is only 12 hours.

Crap! Now the window is even longer-now to Jan 4? I'll be on pins and needles-mostly needles by then!!

[lvoss]

Well, probably it is Jan 1, since the 63 days counts from ovulation which usually occurs about 3 days prior to fertilization.

[nomrbddgs]

Kero is very good at breeding also. He seems to know the time to breed. I am now at day 68 and nothing again. This is like pulling fingernails now! Although I seemed to be resigned she will go into labour at the most inappropriate time!

[lvoss]

If she goes much longer you may want to do an x-ray just to be sure it isn't a very small litter. Sometimes 1-2 puppy litters can require a c-section because the puppies aren't crowded and can either get too big for a natural birth or just wait so long that their placentas start deteriorating.

[nomrbddgs]

That was what I was worried about, but I did hear 3 distinct heartbeats yesterday. Her temp has now dropped to 96 and she's starting to act a little off. Not off enough to not eat, but just early stages. Should be within 24 hrs. I'll keep you updated.

[snorky998]

OMG!! I've been here just reading from the begining and I have to tell you I'm sooo excited for you!! I'm sure this will be the first thread I read when I get up in the morning, with mutiple checks in between before it's the last thing I check online before going to bed.

Good luck, prayers, and happy thoughts being sent your way.

[mauigirl]

OMG!! I'm sure this will be the first thread I read when I get up in the morning, with mutiple checks in between before it's the last thing I check online before going to bed.


Me too! I don't know how many times a day I think about the litters that have their own threads here. Alot.
Fingers crossed that the pups' humans will becomes active members so we continue to hear about the little darlings while they grow.

[dmcarty]

I have found that the timing is totally dependent on what I "have" to do at work on a specific day. THe more critical that I have to be there - the more likely that would be the 'day'. Once I had to write a speech in the morning that my boss was going to give that PM and I just knew that I would have puppies (this was long before email and telecommunting). So I called the vet and asked - "If I bring in one dog to board for the day and she has puppies are you going to charge me for all of them?" They said no unless they had to assist. So I did have one litter born all by themselves at the vets office - the vet staff was amazed - and I got the speech done.

[bellabasenji]

Go figure.... that's a Basenji for ya'. Always pulling a "fast one". Predictable is NOT a Basenji trait for sure!!! Guess that goes the same when it comes to laboring... LOL;) I am looking forward to seeing these cuties, too!

[nomrbddgs]

Go figure.... that's a Basenji for ya'. Always pulling a "fast one". Predictable is NOT a Basenji trait for sure!!! Guess that goes the same when it comes to laboring... LOL;) I am looking forward to seeing these cuties, too!

Ha! So true! I raced home from work, because they told me she was starting to nest and whining, so what does she do when I come home? GO TO SLEEP, ALL NIGHT! Nothing yet, I'm sorry to say. I hope to have something soon. Lisa if she doesn't go by Friday, I will take her in. Unless the puppies stop moving before then, or I don't hear heartbeats. Although last night at least three were rolling around separately. It's funny to see heads and feet stuck out an inch past the girls' ribs. Oh, the joys! I will keep you updated!

[YodelDogs]

Arlene,
Were the dates of her breedings Oct 22, 24, and 26?

[nomrbddgs]

I believe so Robyn. She had them today-2 red boys, 1 red girl, and 1 tri girl. Here are pics'

http://s540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/

Sorry, didn't have time to post them as I have to go to work, but I will later. And I will give more detailed description as well.

Arlene

[tanza]

congrats to Sugar and Arlene (and Robyn as co-breeder), Looks like by the birth times she had a pretty easy time of it.... all done in a little more then a hour!!!!

[lvoss]

Congrats! I love 4 puppy litters.

Here are the individual pics of the pups while Arlene is working.

Tri Girl

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10117.jpg

Red Girl

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10120.jpg

Red Boy 1

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10122.jpg

Red Boy 2
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10125.jpg

[Quercus]

Congrats! What a nice color-balanced litter :)

[tanza]

Yes, my favorite number too, 4 pups...

There is a breeder on the East Coast who's bitch just had 10, yes I said 10... Basenji puppies.... DOUBLE AND TRIPLE YIKES!!!!!

[snorky998]

Congratulations!! Beautiful, absolutely beautiful.

[YodelDogs]

Woohoo! *happy dance* What a lovely litter. I can't wait to watch them grow!

[Kebasmom]

Congrats on the beautiful pups!

[bellabasenji]

Congratulations, they look so sweet... born innocent! This too shall pass, LOL, soon they will be cute little beasties and we will still love them anyways!!!

[kiroja]

Congrats Arlene!!! Glad the waiting is finally over and everyone can relax. Enjoy them now while they're "easy". lol And don't forget to share lots of pics!

[Janneke]

Congrats!!! Beautiful pups!!! I love the boy! :D

[BasenjiDiva]

Congratulations!!!!! Your babies are beautiful!

Pat

[nomrbddgs]

Thank you everyone. Thank you Lisa for posting the pics, along with my roadkill pics! Aren't they lovely? So here's how it went.

She started at about 10:50 am with the water, it took her about 15 min to pass it through the canal, and she did break it herself (good girl). I was on tenterhooks as I hadn't done this in about 20 years or so. Sue got there just as the action was starting. Tri girl #1, 8 oz, was very tight. Sugar thrashed a bit, tried to bite (typical, it hurts), but once we got a hand on the puppy and got it over the belly she was okay (all were feet first). While we were cleaning up #1, she was in the box having #2 red girl, 8 oz. then she took a little rest, the puppies nursed a bit, and then we returned to having more puppies. #3 red boy, 9 oz, took a little bit more from her, and then #4 red boy 8 oz. was the final. It went pretty quick. After we tied the cord on the one boy, she went back and chewed it a little closer, should be okay though. She's definitely a cleaner. She pretty much stays with them in the whelping box. They all seem to be nicely marked, but one #4 has a small dot of colour inside his white collar.

[tanza]

The most amazing thing that I find with the white, is that it stays the same size... so when you think that you have a blaze on the face... turns out to be nothing but a thin strip or nothing at all.... same with the collar.....

So that "dot" inside the white collar will get bigger...ggg

[lvoss]

They all seem to be nicely marked, but one #4 has a small dot of colour inside his white collar.

There are lots of basenjis with spots of color in their collars. Most owners find them endearing. Arubmec's Sweet Spot got his name because of the spot in his collar. Nicky has a large spot of color in his collar, we call it his Georgia Peach.

I thought the "road kill" pictures were cute.

[nomrbddgs]

I really do like them all. The markings are nice on all of them, pretty uniform for the most part. It will be hard deciding which one to keep. I know the tri girl is gone, but I have some others that wanted a tri as well. I know I wanted a red, but now I don't know boy or girl! His spot is pretty big now in comparison to his size, so I'm not sure if it will get bigger or the white will overtake most of it. The have some pretty interesting faces as well. At the end of the week, I will post pics of them and their faces too.

[tanza]

The white stays the same size, the colored spot will get bigger.

[Terry]

Congratulations! The wait was worth it!

Since the tri girl is spoken for, I think my next choice would be the red girl, or maybe the #3 boy... oh, heck, keep them all!!

Terry

[myran]

Congratulations to your litter well worth waiting for:D
Aaah which one to choose???Well wait til they?re atleast 8-9 weeks and forget about the markings it?s their anatomy,movement and mentality that will be the most important factors.If their markings aren?t totally of then they are insignificant although I prefer if the white doesn?t go to high on their backleg?s as it gives an illusion of having a long hock( not sure if it?s the correct term) as it should be set quite low but other then that a good judge should disregard markings apart from mismarkings that is.
Anyway good luck i?m sure that in the end you will make the right choice;)

[nomrbddgs]

Congratulations! The wait was worth it!

Since the tri girl is spoken for, I think my next choice would be the red girl, or maybe the #3 boy... oh, heck, keep them all!!

Terry

Mmmm, yeah. That's what the girl that lives with me said. Keep them all. I'm not sure which one I will choose. Judges up here tend to look at certain things and not others which I feel would be important-such as movement over colour. I've been to the back of the bus more times because of colour or faces. The one has a very dark mask, which I don't care for personally. I know of at least 3 judges who would pick placement of colour, including the spot, over movement. It will be between the one red girl and the one red boy without the mask, unless the other turns out better. I just don't know yet. I do have a household of girls though as will. I'll be evaluating as best I can as we go along. If I really like one overall, then colour will be disregarded, but right now, all I can look at is colour. Ahh well, I have lots of time to decide. Maybe I will keep them all! Hah, not likely!

[tanza]

Masking doesn't stay 99% of the time. It is really known in the Zuri bloodline (Ken and Marilyn Leighton) and while heavy masked at birth, not so by 6 months... but usually beautiful red coats.....

[YodelDogs]

The mask will disappear, probably by 8 weeks, so I wouldn't take it into consideration. In my experience, it is best to just enjoy the pups and not even try to evaluate them until they are close to 8 weeks. :)

[lvoss]

Unless the parents have the gene for masking meaning they themselves are masked the mask will fade as Pat says by 6 months but leave wonderful dark pigment on nose and eye rims.

Here is a pic of Heart from my first litter at 4 weeks with masking.

http://www.basenjinet.net/2004_litter_album/heart3wk.jpg

Here she is as an adult.

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Bella in my current litter has masking.

http://www.basenjinet.net/2008_litter_album/bella6wksstckd.jpg

So did her half sister Shirley and you can see how Shirley matured at the bottom of this page, http://kensetbasenjis.homestead.com/MartyKids.html

[nomrbddgs]

Thanks for all the input. I will be waiting then and then evaluate on movement and structure. They are all sooo cute. Thanks again everyone for the input and good wishes.

[dmcarty]

I alwasy look at 4 weeks and then 8 weeks. There was one litter where - when anyone saw the pups - it was always one pup that was 10 out of six. It was always - ".....and here's Mo." At about 7.5 weeks I looked outside in the yard and went - wow who was that - I bundled the pups up and went to my mentor and told her I wanted her to see something - let out the pups - and she said 'wow - who is that". So instead of being in a pet home in Duluth - I sent up his brother who had more flash and dash and kept the one that was no ones pick until 8 weeks.

He finished and turned out to be quiet a handsome boy with solid movement and strucuture.

[nomrbddgs]

Had a scare last night with Sugar. When I got home from work, she didn't look good. She's really skinny anyway and I keep upping her food. I noticed she had really runny poop and looked like she was straining. Her eyes were dull, but her temp was only 100.1. It's been running around 99.7 anyway. After I watched her awhile I phoned Sue. (I'm sure she was really happy to have me call her at midnight) She told me to give her some milk and an egg. She said she had never had a bitch with low calcium, but she had heard some that had. I gave her the milk and within 10 min she was laying with the puppies and looking a little more comfy. She still is runny this am, but it's not as runny. Hopefully this will clear up. Just thought I'd let you know.

Anyone know what else I can give her to keep her calcium up and how much? I know yogurt is good, but at this point-how much?

Also 5 day old pics Kind of crappy, but I'm getting better with the new camera:
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10151.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10150.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10149.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10148.jpg

[BasenjiDiva]

The pups are adorable!! I hope really hope Sugar is doing better today. Keeping fingers crossed that this was just a little bump in the road and everything goes smoothly from this point on.

Pat

[nomrbddgs]

Still not good-bad stomach cramps. I've called someone else in to get an opinion as well since I am the only one really seeing her.

[tanza]

I give cottage cheese 4% milk fat for calcium, not yogart? And I always have mine on it starting before they whelp (like 2wks before).... I don't measure, but if I had to guess it would be 2 tablespoons with each meal.

You would be best off to take her to the Vet, IMO... as Eclampsia is a serious acute life-threatening problem that shows up typically in early lactation.

[nomrbddgs]

Actually, I think the people in this house may have fed her something that did not agree with her. (I suspected these people after the fact when someone mentioned something about fruit, apples, sausage, etc.) She's getting better now, her poops have started to slow down and form a little bit. If she does continue, I will take her to the vet. I just worry because of the babies. (dumb people feeding a dog what they aren't used to)

Thanks Pat,

[myran]

Sometimes you need to give them a calcium shot I would call the vet asap and not try to second guess as Tanza stated eclampsia can be life threatening.

[nomrbddgs]

I did call the vets this am. They told me to wait it out another day, since she didn't have a fever, unless she developed one or her glands got hard. They told me yogurt and rice. If she's not better in the am, I will take her in.

[renaultf1]

Just curious, but what is a normal temp for a dog...

[nomrbddgs]

Sugar hovers around 99.7, But it can vary from what I understand

[nomrbddgs]

New pics- 8 days
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10154.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10155.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10153.jpg

[Ninabeana26]

Awww they are so adorable :) Keep the photos coming!

[BasenjiDiva]

They just get cuter and cuter!!

Pat

[bellabasenji]

She looks like a good mommy...

[nomrbddgs]

She's very good.

[kiroja]

Aww, too cute! Can I steal one? :) How is everything going Arlene? Is Sugar feeling better?

[nomrbddgs]

No, because of the ice storm I couldn't bring her in yesterday to the vet. I have an appt this am for her. She still has runny poop, like liquid, and stomach cramps, but no fever. But she is still soooo skinny. Everything that goes in either comes out in liquid form, or the pups take it. They are gaining by at least one to two ounces per day, so the milk is good-it seems to be just with her. And she passes gas like a human. Loud and proud!

But those puppies sure do know how to whine! I think the little red female will be called Tinkerbell. So, I have three names now, Starr, Zorro, and Tink. Now, if I can just come up with a name for the boy with the spot on the back that whines all the time. I can start with calling them something other than Puppy #1, 2, 3, and 4.

[myran]

Hope Sugar will start to feel a bit better all she?ll be just skin &bones those little monsters they?ll take what they need as all babies do luckily the milk is of good quality.
Call the little boy Whiner or Whinger ;)Love that little Tri girl can?t wait till I get my own Tri litter next fall if all goes as planned:)

[nomrbddgs]

The vet said that nothing is really wrong and just to watch her. Just keep giving her a bit of yogurt everyday because of the probiotics and some rice and scrambled eggs with her kibble. He didn't want to give her anything because of the puppies. I'll up her food to about 3 1/2 to 4 cups as well.

Whiner-that's what I've been calling him, but I think he really needs a decent name, otherwise he will whine all the time!

[YodelDogs]

A large spoon of canned pumpkin may firm up her stools. Yogurt is usually a good thing in moderation.

[mauigirl]

I'll up her food to about 3 1/2 to 4 cups as well.



Whoa my goodness I knew you up the food some but I didn't know it was that much! That's a lot! I had no idea. How much was she eating before she whelped??

[tanza]

One of the few times that I free feed is during the first 2wks after whelping... always food available.

[nomrbddgs]

She only got about 1 cup before to 1 1/4 cup per day. I'll try a bit of pumpkin too Robyn, thanks, I forgot about it being so worried about the diarreah and stomach cramps.

[nomrbddgs]

New update. I didn't have time the other day to elaborate on the trip to the vet, so I'll do so now. Took her in and did a fecal sample (I sort of knew there was nothing there) and turned out negative. This clinic tends to have a lot of breeders go to them and they are a farm clinic as well. He weighed her in and she weighed 8.2 kilos (about 18 lbs). The first thing he asked (temp was normal) was if she was a nervous dog. I said more needy than nervous. She doesn't normally care if I go out, but she tends to be very needy with me when I am there. (Remember I said she stresses easily and I wasn't sure this was a good idea) He said since everything is negative and she has no fever, no pyro, no signs of anything else, with bitches that are needy, especially if they have a first litter, a lot of their stresses come out in diarrhea form. He said to give her Kaolin and pumpkin wasn't bad as well as scrambled egg for the protein and nutrients and a bit of rice if she needs to settle her stomach. Her food (I've upped her to 3 3/4 cups) is fine, but if she doesn't start to gain weight to slowly switch her to puppy food for extra nutrients. (ha! A vet with a brain that works) Koalin's dosage is 1-2ml per kg. So she can have anywhere from 8-16 ml every six hours. He said if she doesn't get better on the 8, give her more til you hit the max. but also start at every 8 hours. Now, don't forget folks, this is a new vet for me, and I was unsure about this. This was not the vet I interviewed, because he was out on call, but another vet. This was a very good experience for me, because he didn't know me or my background, or Sugar's either. He also said at any time to call if she starts to lose more weight or doesn't improve. That night, because of the stresses of going to the vet, she did get worse. She'd sit on the floor, pass gas and pooped and cried about it. This is why I didn't want to ultimately take her, because I knew it would be worse after going there. But, I'm glad I did because I believe I have a decent vet clinic who actually knows something. She is slowly getting better and with me being home this weekend, she should relax somewhat. He also saw pics of the puppies and said they looked really good as well.

An update on the puppies, This am little tri girl Starr, has one eye opened and is standing on all fours and walking. Leave it to a tri to lead the pack. They are all gaining. Yesterday tubbo Zorro was 22.5 oz. He started out at 9 oz. The little boy's name that whines all the time is now Talker. I will update pics later in the day.

[lvoss]

I have found that eating too much volume at a time can also cause diarreah. I usually switch my girls to a high cal food, like the puppy version of the food they normally eat, so that I can feed less volume and still get the same amount of calories. I also free feed the nursing girl so she can eat smaller amounts through out the day to prevent stomach upset.

[bellabasenji]

I hadn't chimed in previously because I don't have the experience in breeding. However; I remember reading an article about it and they did say that pregnant and lactating bitches benefit from eating a good quality puppy food. It does make perfect sense...

[nomrbddgs]

I will be grabbing a bag and supplementing her when I get her diarreah under control. It has slowed already and is firming up. Her stomach cramps are lessening as well.

Lisa, she is getting the food in three - four meals a day. With the Kaolin and pumpkin inbetween.

[bellabasenji]

I will be grabbing a bag and supplementing her when I get her diarreah under control. It has slowed already and is firming up. Her stomach cramps are lessening as well.

Lisa, she is getting the food in three - four meals a day. With the Kaolin and pumpkin inbetween.

This may save a little money as well since you would feed less of the puppy food. You may want to choose puppy food in the same brand as the current adult food you are feeding her. That would probably make the transition easier.

BTW... Is IVOSS a LISA, too :confused: Or were you referring to me???

[nomrbddgs]

Sorry, Yes, I was referring to Ivoss, she is Lisa as well. Guess I should have made that clear.

I will be going with the Nutro brand which is what she is on now.

[bellabasenji]

No, no problem... I just wondered and I like learning everyone's "real" names here. Sometimes I have a hard time remembering them though... Bella was on Nutro Natural puppy food when she was little. She also has had Nutro Natural Chicken, Rice and Oatmeal for sensitive stomachs. She did pretty well on it!

[YodelDogs]

BTW... Is IVOSS a LISA, too :confused: Or were you referring to me???


It's not an "I" but rather a lowercase "L". Lisa Voss is her name. :)

[bellabasenji]

Oooops :o sorry (of course that makes sense) now I feel silly.:rolleyes:

[Janneke]

Oooops :o sorry (of course that makes sense) now I feel silly.:rolleyes:

I always read it as ''i''voss as well :D

[nomrbddgs]

Here are 11 day pics:

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10160.jpg
Puppy Pile
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10167.jpg
At the Milk Bar
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10164.jpg
Zorro and (Starr) now Indi
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10163.jpg
Talker

[sharronhurlbut]

Oh, What wonderful puppy photos...thanks for sharing

[Janneke]

They are getting big!! Look at those baby bellies..! :D So cute!!
Thanks for sharing!

[Andrew]

I will be going with the Nutro brand which is what she is on now.

I am not a breeder & certainly not an expert, so go with what the breeders say first. However, I wanted to throw in my 2 cents on Nutro. We fed Booger Nutro puppy food & he did well. We switched to Nutro adult & he did fine. He did seem to poop a lot. We brought Lola home & started on Nutro puppy. She had awful bouts of diarrhea. I would cook chicken & rice for her for a day or two, get her stools firmed up & start feeding kibble again. Within 2 days, diarrhea again. I did some research & chose a new food (Blue Buffalo) & switched her cold turkey (I figured I couldn't upset her stomach much more than it already was) & she has never once had diarrhea since. We switched Booger over, too, so we could keep it simple with both of them getting the same food. His stools firmed up, he lost weight, eats less, coat is shinier, he has a lot more energy & is a lot happier all around. Switching from Nutro worked wonders for ours.

[lvoss]

It has been 10 years since I fed Nutro but my experience was very similar to Andrew and Carrie's experience. Nicky frequently had soft or loose stools on the Nutro food and I saw a huge difference when I switched him to California Natural back then. Now, I rotate between 3 brands of grain free kibbles (Merrick's BG, Evo, and Orijen) and a couple of brands of grain kibbles (California Natural and Prairie). This routine has worked well even with Rio who is my worrier and can work herself up into a belly ache.

With Rally's first litter they were weaned onto California Natural Puppy and her second litter got Wellness Puppy and Evo about 50/50. I think Wellness may have recently changed their formula because my dogs are not doing as well on it anymore so I have cut it from the rotation. My mom feeds TC's litter 50% of the meals Merrick's BG and 50% raw medallions. She started the raw medallions because she was worried TC wasn't getting enough calories prior to whelping and she could eat more raw without an upset stomach than she could kibble.

[bellabasenji]

I did some research & chose a new food (Blue Buffalo) & switched her cold turkey (I figured I couldn't upset her stomach much more than it already was) & she has never once had diarrhea since. We switched Booger over, too, so we could keep it simple with both of them getting the same food. His stools firmed up, he lost weight, eats less, coat is shinier, he has a lot more energy & is a lot happier all around. Switching from Nutro worked wonders for ours.

I can't argue that can happen... I definitely am not praising Nutro. I said she did "pretty well" on it. Toward the end I felt it best to switch because I thought there was a better food out there for her. I was just suggesting nomrbddgs keep her girl on the same line of food for ease of transition. BTW, my Bella had the diarrhea reaction to Blue Buffalo... goes to show, all dogs are different! I wish we all could have simple answers to the feeding issues. Right now I am considering switching Bella back to Canidae (I once tried it and she did great) or trying Wellness Super 5...

[nomrbddgs]

Actually, I was thinking of switching them all to Orijen. Zina has done super well on it. And if I'm feeding her it, I should feed all of them it. (Zina is the one with allergies to all grains, including flax seed and I believe also stuff like lettuce). It would probably cost the same in the end, because they eat less of it. I did tell the vet I had Orijen and he said it was okay to start switching in some of the Orijen. If I could get this diarreah under control, it would be a lot easier. The stomach cramps are almost gone. The odd one or two, but the stools are still loose-firmer than what they were (liquid) but definitely not solid. At least they string together and not pour out of her. (Sorry for the visual).

[BasenjiDiva]

The puppies get cuter and cuter!! I would love to hold and snuggle one.

Re foods: We have always used Nutro Lamb and Rice - with our last 2 dogs and our current 2. While not the best dog food in the world, it is reasonably priced and of reasonable quality. And for some reason every dog we've had has tolerated it better than other brands. I once tried to switch our Lab to a different brand and she developed massive diarrhea. It was the one and only time she ever had an accident in all the years we owned her. She was mortified. We tried switching Cory and Jayden to Wellness Super 5 and Jayden especially couldn't tolerate it. We couldn't move past the 50 - 50 mix of Wellness and Nutro without Jayden getting severe diarrhe. So, We've stuck with Nutro and add some yogurt and Missing Link to it. We used to add canned pumpkin to it to see if we could cure Cory's chronic "stinky butt" but found that it didn't stop it. I LOVE to find a cure for the stinky stamper problem.

Pat

[lvoss]

The "stinky butt" is anal glands. Usually the anal glands become full and the dogs will have that smell if their bowel movements are not firm enough to express them. They can be expressed manually, you can have your vet show you how.

[mauigirl]

I did Riley's glands the other day. The two times I've done Zippy's I conveniently had a stuffy nose. Not so this time.

:eek:

[Andrew]

The "stinky butt" is anal glands. Usually the anal glands become full and the dogs will have that smell if their bowel movements are not firm enough to express them. They can be expressed manually, you can have your vet show you how.Oh I forgot to mention this was the other added benefit of switching Booger to Blue Buffalo! He used to have what I called "butt pee." Anytime we went to the park or hiking, he would have a solid normal poop & then run around & poop several times afterwards. All except the first poo would just be liquidy & not much to them. After we switched foods, we noticed his stools are a lot firmer, and every few days they're followed with a little burst of liquid (this is turning into the worst thread ever), which Andrew says is his anal glands expressing. We've, thank God, never had to express them & I attribute a lot of that to the food!
I never want to go down that road.....:D

[nomrbddgs]

14 day pics

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10179.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10176.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10177.jpg

[nomrbddgs]

17 day pics
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10203.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10205.jpg

[YodelDogs]

They are sooooo cute!!!! I can't believe how slender and active they are compared to Ayla. All she does is lay there lol.

[nomrbddgs]

Slender? The big boy beside the tri girl is about 30.5 oz now! Bubba himself! 1st to the milkbar everytime.

[sharronhurlbut]

Very, very cute.
Thanks for sharing.

[BasenjiDiva]

They are so beautiful and snuggly looking. I just don't know if I'd be able to keep my hands off them!

Pat

[Terry]

Oh, no, I'm in love with the tri girl!! What a cutie!

Terry

[nomrbddgs]

The tri girl is very cute. She was the first one to start biting the others, now it's the big boy-Zorro (or Bubba as I like to call him)

[nomrbddgs]

3 weeks old Sorry, they're a bit blurry.
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10242.jpg
Tink, Zorro (Bubba) and Indi
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10243.jpg
Talker
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10244.jpg
Talker, Zorro (Bubba) and Tink
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10245.jpg
Indi

[renaultf1]

Cute, cute, cute...big yawn for a little b in that first pic! :D

[hdolbow]

ahh look at the widdle eaaaaaaaarssss

only a baby voice could portray the cuteness lol

[BasenjiDiva]

ahh look at the widdle eaaaaaaaarssss

only a baby voice could portray the cuteness lol

I know....I was thinking the same thing. And that little puppy yawn!

So cute..

Pat

[Nemo]

That puppy yawn is priceless. That would be perfect for one of those cute puppy calendars.

[nomrbddgs]

here are some updates as of Sat. 3 1/2 weeks
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10257.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10254.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10256.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10259.jpg

[bellabasenji]

My, my they are looking even more adorable... they're sooooo pretty!:D

[nomrbddgs]

Here they are, sort of stacked at 4 weeks.
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10283.jpg
Tink
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10285.jpg
Indi
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10289.jpg
Bubba
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10292.jpg
Talker

[tanza]

Well, just looking at the pictures at 4 wks, Bubba is my pick at this age, he is the most balanced at this tender age.

[nomrbddgs]

He's a little more curious as well. I can't wait for the next few weeks to see how he develops.

[YodelDogs]

It's hard to tell about Talker with him leaning back but I agree with Pat that Bubba is the one who stands out at this point. :)

[nomrbddgs]

I'm glad you guys agree so far. He's actually been my pick for awhile. But, we'll see as time goes on. Hard to tell his tail set with the fat he has around his backend.

[bellabasenji]

I have to agree about Bubba! It's kinda funny where you have them stacked... on the KITCHEN COUNTER this is where they would give anything to be later on in their lives, LOL!!!

[tanza]

Arlene,
Look at all the pups, they are all going to have the same tail set.... They are all about the same and I don't really see that changing. They would have an acceptable tail set, IMO.

[Ninabeana26]

They are all so cute! :) Keep those photos coming!

[nomrbddgs]

I'm leaning to keeping one of the boys. I have enough dark dogs and enough girls. I only have Shadow, who is neutered as a boy. So I really would prefer one of the boys, but I am looking at Tink too. She is such a sweetie-loes to cuddle!

As for the counter thing, So True! One day they will only wish they were up there!!

[tanza]

I'm leaning to keeping one of the boys. I have enough dark dogs and enough girls. I only have Shadow, who is neutered as a boy. So I really would prefer one of the boys, but I am looking at Tink too. She is such a sweetie-loes to cuddle!

As for the counter thing, So True! One day they will only wish they were up there!!

OR... they will just get up there and look you in the eye and say "Hey, you started it!"

[bellabasenji]

I just love the name Tink, is it short for Tinkerbell?

[tanza]

I just love the name Tink, is it short for Tinkerbell?

Or is it "stinker"??? I have a "Stinker".... one of Kristii loving nicknames... and sometimes called Tinker or Tink....

[kiroja]

I'm all for Bubba too at this point! Thanks for sharing Arlene. :)

[tanza]

Hmmm... Arlene... can't wait to see pics at 8 wks and see if we all still agree on Bubba...but the Tri bitch is really cute too...

But I can certainly understand your reasons for keeping a boy and it makes sense....

[nomrbddgs]

I just love the name Tink, is it short for Tinkerbell?

Yes, Tink is short for Tinkerbell.

[nomrbddgs]

The tri bitch is, I don't know. Her body is okay, but so far, I don't like her stop. We will have to see. I actually, at this point prefer Tink's head.

[bellabasenji]

The tri bitch is, I don't know. Her body is okay, but so far, I don't like her stop. We will have to see. I actually, at this point prefer Tink's head.

Just curious...when you say you don't like her "stop," what do you mean???

[tanza]

The tri bitch is, I don't know. Her body is okay, but so far, I don't like her stop. We will have to see. I actually, at this point prefer Tink's head.

Obviously a disadvantage to only see the pictures, you have "real time"...ggg

But I think the Tri bitch's stop at this age is just fine.....

From the Breed Standard, Stop is referred to as just below the eye, as the foreface tapers to the muzzle: The skull is flat, well chiseled and of medium width, tapering toward the eyes. The foreface tapers from eye to muzzle with a perceptible stop. Muzzle shorter than skull, neither coarse nor snipy, but with rounded cushions.

[nomrbddgs]

True Pat, at this age it's hard to tell, but she seems to have a deeper stop, and has seemed this way for awhile, than the others.

But it could also be the darker colour. Looks are sometimes very deceptive.

[tanza]

True Pat, at this age it's hard to tell, but she seems to have a deeper stop, and has seemed this way for awhile, than the others.

But it could also be the darker colour. Looks are sometimes very deceptive.

For sure, but all in all, very nice litter.... Congrats

[nomrbddgs]

Thanks, Pat. I was hoping for certain things, but I will have to wait to see if they came out the way I was hoping.

[nomrbddgs]

4 1/2 weeks. They were a little tired!
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10304.jpg
Bubba
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10315.jpg
Talker
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10318.jpg
Indi
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10301.jpg
Tink

[Nemo]

It looks like Tink is so sleepy she would fall over if the hand was removed. Cute.

[Ambered]

I just read the whole thread. What a beautiful litter! I am assuming Sugar is doing well at this point? It would be so hard to choose just one! You guys are the worst for puppy fever! We are moving to Alabama in September *with a fenced yard. My husband said we could get another dog then :) YAY!

[nomrbddgs]

Sugar is doing okay. She's still feeding, but doesn't spend any real time with them. The puppies are starting to eat pablum, with the girls (of course) doing better than the boys. Here are 5 week pics.
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10325.jpg
Talker
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10324.jpg
Indi and Bubba playing with a toy in the potty box
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10322.jpg
Tink, climbing the x pen.
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10330.jpg
Bubba, of course
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10328.jpg
the group
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10320.jpg
Tink, Talker, and Indi

[tanza]

cute.... Reminds me of my Maggii, after the first two weeks she wanted nothing to do with her pups if she could help it.... she happily gave them to Mickii and had I let Mickii milk up, she would have "washed" her paws of them...ggg We are NOT talking about Mother of the Year... Now Mickii on the other hand was the best of best Mom's... she loved her babies and loved being with them...

[Janneke]

Love the pic of the little one climbing the x-pen!

[nomrbddgs]

cute.... Reminds me of my Maggii, after the first two weeks she wanted nothing to do with her pups if she could help it.... she happily gave them to Mickii and had I let Mickii milk up, she would have "washed" her paws of them...ggg We are NOT talking about Mother of the Year... Now Mickii on the other hand was the best of best Mom's... she loved her babies and loved being with them...

She was actually better at feeding them last week. Now she just goes in to get some of the milk out to relieve herself and the puppies have started eating gruel. Bubba is still unsure about the gruel and would prefer to have Mama feed him for the rest of his life!

[Ninabeana26]

They are so adorable! That is quite a litter :)

I love the photo of Tink trying to make a break for it! Haha. Too cute!

[nomrbddgs]

Ahh yes, I believe Tink has now taught Talker to climb as well!

[lvoss]

You're lucky if you only have 2. My first litter, every one of them would escape. It started with Heart and Rio, they would be out of the whelping box even though their eyes weren't open. After their eyes were open it didn't take too long for them to get over the short barrier we had so Rally could easily get to them. We then went to a baby gate, they were over that by 5 weeks. We switched to a plywood barrier so they wouldn't have foothold. So they would be in an ex-pen in the puppy room and have the second barrier across the doorway and by 8 weeks we would every couple of days find an escapee. Granted the barrier had to be low enough that Rally could get in because she absolutely hated not being able to check on them.

Even now when I go to a lure trial people call Rio, Popcorn, because if I open the top of the ex-pen she leaps into my arms.

[nomrbddgs]

I'm expecting the tri to start to climb too. Bubba probably won't as he's the most laid back. But Sugar will climb out of an x-pen-even with a lid on. I don't leave her in one at all, because it doesn't matter who she's with she will climb out. People didn't believe me until they saw it one day-she bent the top to get out. I'm surprised they didn't start earlier, but at least I've had a reprieve from it a bit longer than you Lisa!

[renaultf1]

Bubba is still unsure about the gruel and would prefer to have Mama feed him for the rest of his life!

Ha, ha, ha...this cracks me up. Between you and Pat's "not mother of the year" ...and might I add, that sounds like some grown men that I know. :D

[nala121498]

Gosh, they are too cute!!!! I picture Bubba's voice to be like one of the puppies in 101 Dalmations. The one who sayd, "But Mama, I'm hungry. I am." or something to that effect. LOL.

[nomrbddgs]

5.5 Weeks
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10333.jpg
Indi
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10334.jpg
Talker
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10335.jpg
Tink/Lilo
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10338.jpg
And, Of course, Bubba

[BasenjiDiva]

They are all so beautiful. Did you say you were planning on keeping one?

Pat

[YodelDogs]

They are all looking good. Bubba is still standing out for me but I also like Indi. :D

[nomrbddgs]

I'm looking at one of the boys. Bubba looks good, but Talker is starting to look better too. Indi looks good too, but I think if I was going to keep a girl, it would be Tink/Lilo. She has the better face of the two.

[nala121498]

It would be hard for me to pick just one!!

[nomrbddgs]

here's the 6 week update Bubba climbed to the top of the x-pen today 4 feet!
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10346.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10348.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10350.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10351.jpg
Pat, Can you see the evil??? Bwaaaaaahhaaaaa
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10352.jpg

[NicholasDenis]

Beautiful, beautiful. Puppies are looking real nice. Looks like that lil' Indi is very independant, not snuggling with the rest just out exploring.

[nomrbddgs]

I've found that like colours stick with like colours. Indi is the odd girl out in most cases.

[Ninabeana26]

They are all just adorable! I like Indi because she's the odd one out :)

[Buana]

oooooooo... can you send Bubba to me with the mail?????

Just put some stamps on.... please.... :D

[nomrbddgs]

Everyone likes Bubba-not too bright, but what a bundle! Even the name-Bubba suits him.

[nomrbddgs]

Couldn't resist!
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10355.jpg
Indi, Tink, Bubba and Talker underneath.

[Janneke]

Super cute!!

[nomrbddgs]

After reading about Josie and Bindi, I thought I'd better update everyone on the Damisi/Sugar situation. As many of you know, I did have problems with Sugar and Damisi before Sugar had the puppies. They were constantly snarking and they had to be watched. Many people warned me that they would probably not want to be together after the puppies. I am very happy to report that Sugar and Damisi are much more relaxed now with each other. They have played about 3 or 4 times together. Running, jumping and play fighting. I'm so happy with this, but so sorry for you Robyn with Bindi and Josie. Sugar is now much more relaxed .

[tanza]

That is great news... usually if you can keep them from having a complete knock down drag out fight, you can work them back together... especially once the bitch having the pups decided that 1. the other is not a threat to the pups, or 2. the one having the pups decides after that it was not really "her" cup of tea...ggg (I had that with Maggii, she was ready to put the pups out on the street at 2wks... ggg... I had to hold her down to have them nurse... and she would have gladly given them all to Mickii had I let Mickii get milk, we are NOT talking Mother of the Year)... Mickii on the other hand was what I consider Mother of the Year... she took wonderful care of her pups and was never ever threatened by the others (once the eyes opened) and let every one in to play with her pups... Fatia was over the top with her pups and considered everyone a threat... even her own Mom, Mickii... and never did let down... leading me to placing Fatia with one of her pups (best decision I ever made it was the perfect solution)

[nomrbddgs]

Here are 6.5 weeks. Includes facials of Bubba and Talker.
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10396.jpg
Bubba
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10399.jpg
Bubba Face
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10369.jpg
Talker
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10413.jpg
Talker Face
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10379.jpg
Tink/Lilo
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/SDC10393.jpg
Indi

[kiroja]

Hey, Talker is really coming around! Looking forward to seeing them over the next few weeks.

[nomrbddgs]

He is starting to look better. But his ear set is a little odd. Most times his ears seem to be set further apart.

[basenji_fan]

Awe I have to come and visit more often these babies are so cute

[nomrbddgs]

I'm going to try to load a video, if not here's the link:
http://s540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/?action=view&current=SDC10437.flv

[renaultf1]

Cute video...I love how Indi gets pushed into the box of paper. :D:D

[nala121498]

So, soooooo cute! What beautiful pups! Glad to hear things have calmed down on the Sugar/Damisi front. Keep us posted...

[bellabasenji]

OOooooohhh, I want one they are sooooo adorable!!!:o

[NicholasDenis]

Puppies are looking good. We seen a bunch of pictures, its nice to finally see them in action. Thanx for posting the vid Arlene.

[nomrbddgs]

Hey Nicholas, I have a few more I will try to post them. They just take sooo long to transfer over.

[nomrbddgs]

Here are some other videos

http://s540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/?action=view&current=SDC10434.flv
http://s540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/?action=view&current=SDC10421.flv
http://s540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/?action=view&current=SDC10419.flv

[Ninabeana26]

They are so adorable!!! I'll take them all! :)

[nomrbddgs]

Here's a link if anyone's interested in updated videos and pics.
http://s540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/

[Ninabeana26]

They just get cuter & cuter! Have you decided which one you are going to keep for yourself? From the videos it looks like you are leaning towards Bubba?

[nomrbddgs]

Well, I did at one time think Bubba, but I definitely think Tank is turning out better in many ways. I have to make my decision as one is going this weekend!

[kiroja]

I agree Arlene, Tank is my pick over Bubba now. But hard to tell just from a few photos. Movement, personality, and other things can really make a difference. Hard to tell without getting your hands on the dogs.

I'm sure you'll have a ton of fun with whoever you choose! Please keep sharing!

[nomrbddgs]

Well, Bubba is pigheaded. Tank is more amenable. He's better with the other dogs-doesn't bully. He is more even tempered at this point. I'm giving them their second shots today before the two of them leave tomorrow, so I'll be starting to take them 'out and about'. That should help his temperment even more. He was actually the calmer of the two for tattoing as well. The thing I'm really impressed with (I know this doesn't mean much) is his chest and his wrinkle. Although, I find the shoulder set a little forward beside Bubba, I don't know if this will be a problem.

[Ninabeana26]

So Arlene, which one did you end up keeping? :)

[nomrbddgs]

I'm not sure I'm keeping any. Tank is still here, but if I can find a good home, he will probably go with certain limitations. Such as showing. Bubba's owners have agreed not to neuter him yet until I see him at six months. They are really very good people. There are new videos of the two on the photobucket page, but they move so fast, it's hard to catch pics of them.

[nomrbddgs]

Just a few updates. Tank will be going to a new home. The people are very nice and wish to show him, at least they are willing to try, they don't know much about it but they think it would be fun, and they will be coming to racing this weekend to see what that is all about.

Lilo will also be going to Nicholas on April 4. So wish him luck-he's going to need it! (Sorry Nicholas) Lilo is a climber and has just decided that escaping the xpen by pulling it down is the greatest thing. But she's a cuddler and kisser as well. Ahhh, the best of both worlds!

[NicholasDenis]

Thanx Arlene, we are so looking forward to a life with a Basenji, with all the memories we will be creating, the good and the bad. lol. We are down to just over a week so we are trying our darnest to basenji proof our home. We watched the two new vids that you d/l of the puppies, and yes we know, we are in for a wild ride. Hahaha. But we are so excited.

[EskiLovr]

I want to wish you luck and patience with your new additions, but more importantly, I must know, WHERE did you find that adorable cartoon basenji you are using as an avatar?

He's charming!

[NicholasDenis]

I googled Basenji images and found this lil' cartoon avatar. I thought he might attract a lil' attention. So I decided to use it.

[sharronhurlbut]

WAY cool avatar...

[bellabasenji]

I think this cartoon Basenji is from the same artist. I can't remember where I found this one... and unfortunately am unable to read their signature.:(

I think these are so very cool!:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Quercus]

I have one that is similar that has the B with a comic strip balloon above his head with an asterisk in it. Below the asterisk says "I'm speechless"...very cute ;)

[ChaseandZahrasmom]

I think this cartoon Basenji is from the same artist. I can't remember where I found this one... and unfortunately am unable to read their signature.:(

I think these are so very cool!:D:D:D:D:D:D

I believe it is Mike McCartney, he does a lot of tee-shirts and stuff. Here is a link to the website

http://www.mccartneysdogs.com/breeds.asp?DisplayType=Breed&cmsID=18

[Janneke]

I believe it is Mike McCartney, he does a lot of tee-shirts and stuff. Here is a link to the website

http://www.mccartneysdogs.com/breeds.asp?DisplayType=Breed&cmsID=18

Wow! They are cool! :cool:

This one is too funny:
http://www.mccartneysdogs.com/images/designs/At_Play/basenji_atplay2.jpg

[renaultf1]

Wow! They are cool! :cool:

This one is too funny:
http://www.mccartneysdogs.com/images/designs/At_Play/basenji_atplay2.jpg


Ha, ha, ha...I know...that one is my favourite as well. :D:D:D

[Quercus]

This guy must really know Basenjis!! Only those of us that have lived with them would get how appropriate it is for the red to be carrying the tri under the umbrella...such primadonnas ;) I bet that the red is a dog, and the tri a bitch, also ;)

[renaultf1]

This guy must really know Basenjis!! Only those of us that have lived with them would get how appropriate it is for the red to be carrying the tri under the umbrella...such primadonnas ;) I bet that the red is a dog, and the tri a bitch, also ;)

SOOOOOO right! The only way it could be better is if the red was holding the umbrella over the tri's head - while balancing "her". It has to be a "her". :D:D

[bellabasenji]

I am loving McCartney's work, thank you for the link Jenn! I bookmarked it for future reference... it's great stuff!!!:cool: