? About Another Dog

[cuttiepie732]

As some of you know I am getting a tri basenji boy soon... My mom already has a teacup poodle. He is sooo small. I swear they are going to be the same size when I bring him home lol. But will they be ok? My mom's dog Kasey 6 is kinda spoiled, but he is a huge cuddle bug to my mom. I thought it was a good idea that I got a puppy for them to adjust well, rather than an adult b. Opinions greatly appreciated.

[tanza]

Puppies of any breed are active, mouthy, untrained in interaction (other then their littermates and especially at 8wks). The pup will, by nature, be drawn to the other dog... and will try and play with him like he did with his littermates... Usually the adult dog will teach the pup many things about play biting and rough housing... and usually it is recommended that they be left to work things out on their own. That said, your pup will be "bigger" within a couple of weeks of the Poodle and being that small may be totally intimidated by the Basenji. Be prepared for lots of noise, growling, yelping, as they learn to adjust to each other, but also watch for serious signs of aggression from the pup towards to adult dog.

[cuttiepie732]

I will thank you for the insight. I think Kasey will first be shocked at first then adjust... Hopefully. When I do get him I am going to stay home for a couple days. (called off work), but am going to go to school for two hours or so after like day 3. I thought that would be a good idea.

[tanza]

It is always a good idea to take a few days and help the pup adjust and also bond with you and the family.... and start training

[cuttiepie732]

Yeah my mom told me that poodles are an independent breed, so she's going to teach me how to train my B, but just in case I am going to get a book... but I don't know which one. What would you recommend?

[tanza]

You should take your puppy to puppy class and then to OB classes.... There are a number of good books that have been recommended here about positive training and positive/reward based training methods. Just research the archives. I don't think that Poodles are an independent breed, as they were bred as a hunting dog if you reseach the breed... that said the "so called teacups" or just really small mini Poodles are really like any toy breed, meant to be a lap dog...

[lvoss]

It is going to be really critical that you take your puppy to puppy kindergarten so he continues an education in dog-dog communication from other puppies. Puppy classes are much less about teaching your puppy obedience and much more about exposing them to continued socialization with a variety of dogs and people as well as new experiences with the very basics of training thrown in. There is no home substitute for this type of experience for your puppy.

[dmcarty]

Poodles are certainly not an independent breed - they are typically eager to please and/or can be spoiled rotten (my mom had one that was of the spoiled rotten variety. Sometimes I think that skill in training teenagers is more appropriate skill in training basenjis. There will be a lot of door slamming equivilents. Remember with a basenji - no means try again later.

As Tanzia says - puppy k and basic obedience will be very very important. If you can find a class with folks who are familiar with basenjis so much the better. I had someone tell me that it took their basenji 3 sessions of obedience to learn what a Golden would learn in 3 weeks - and it's not because they are stupid - it is because they are smart too smart.

I would suggest that you find the basenji companions website and join the group there are a lot of training tips for common and specific issues that you could find useful.

[cuttiepie732]

Cool thank you. Is there a site that will give me locations to puppy k, and what not locally?

[lvoss]

Here are a couple of trainer directories. Please be sure to talk to the trainer before enrolling and make sure they use positive reinforcement training.

http://www.trulydogfriendly.com/blog/?page_id=4

http://apdt.com/po/ts/default.aspx

[Nemo]

You can check out the local kennel clubs for puppy socialization and obedience classes. Locally, my options are the kennel club, Petsmart, and some of the doggie day cares have puppy classes as well. I'm be taking my puppy to the local kennel club. I don't know how it works in other clubs, but I just have to pay one fee for the year and I can take any of the classes in any the sessions for the rest of the year. So it's a pretty good deal.

[dmcarty]

Here is a link to all the All breed Kennel Clubs in Ohio - perhaps there is one by you. Contact them and ask about training centers in the area.

http://www.akc.org/clubs/search/index.cfm?RequestTimeout=45

[cuttiepie732]

Wow that is a pretty good deal. I just talked to my mom and she doesn't want him to go to class, but I'll try to talk to her.

[cuttiepie732]

You guys are so helpful... Thanks!

[Nemo]

Wow that is a pretty good deal. I just talked to my mom and she doesn't want him to go to class, but I'll try to talk to her.

Are you talking about the puppy or the poodle?

[cuttiepie732]

I am talking about my puppy.

[tanza]

Why would she not want him to go to class? This is pretty critical, IMO for any new puppy owner and puppy....

[cuttiepie732]

She told me in her life she has trained many dogs, and she is confident in her ability. Idk maybe I should just try her way, and if it doesn't progress I'll convince her to go to puppy training.

[Nemo]

As others have said, the puppy socialization class is not about "training" as much as making sure the puppy has a healthy relationship with other dogs and people as well.

[YodelDogs]

As some of you know I am getting a tri basenji boy soon... My mom already has a teacup poodle. He is sooo small. I swear they are going to be the same size when I bring him home lol.

An 8 week old Basenji is going to be larger and heavier than a Poodle that size. If the Basenji pup gets a bit carried away with its playing and the Poodle doesn't put him in his place for his rudeness, you may have to intervene. A "time out" for the pup may be warranted.

Edited: Oops I missed Pat's post about this above.

I do agree with the others that puppy classes are fabulous for socializing your puppy. It is best to meet the trainer and watch them teach a class before you sign up and commit to going. You want to make sure that you agree with their methods and that you will be able to follow their lead. Good luck!

[cuttiepie732]

Yeah I know someone who works at a humance society near me. I just contacted her, and hopefully soon I will get a response.

[cuttiepie732]

I just found out that The Ohio State University has puppy classes. Like nine days after I get him. I think this will be good, because OSU is one of the top vet programs in the country! :)

[cuttiepie732]

Scratch that it started in January.

[wizard]

Maybe they'll have another one when this one ends. I take it your mom finally relented about the classes.

[cuttiepie732]

Nah just looking as of now. I always like to look at things with every view point.

[sharronhurlbut]

really training a basenji isn't like training any other dog.
True puppy class is about helping your dog be social, but "training" well, its *IMO* different from training any other breeds.
The EBC club has a manual, Basenji Owners Manual that is very helpful for the first time owner.
I do believe its listed on this site.
I would sure recommend it.

[cuttiepie732]

really training a basenji isn't like training any other dog.
True puppy class is about helping your dog be social, but "training" well, its *IMO* different from training any other breeds.
The EBC club has a manual, Basenji Owners Manual that is very helpful for the first time owner.
I do believe its listed on this site.
I would sure recommend it.

Yeah I have read up on some info about basenji's for awhile, and tomorrow I am going to Borders and buying Basenjis: Complete Pet Owners Manual. How do I order the Basenji Owners Manual? I found the website, but it does not direct you to ordering it.

[sharronhurlbut]

Basenji Owners Manual
Start your puppy out right with the guide that every Basenji owner should have!

We took a couple dozen Basenji experts and fanciers and found out what they would like to see in an ideal guide. The result is this concise, yet thorough, 50-page illustrated book now in its fourth printing. Whether you are a novice or a seasoned Basenji owner, you will find this a valuable reference. The Basenji Owners Manual is used by many breeders as a cost-effective way to educate prospective Basenji owners — an educated owner is a happy one! Published by the Evergreen Basenji Club.


Topics include:

Introduction
Socialization
Training
First Aid
Health
Grooming
Show Training
Breed Standard
Discipline
Obedience
Activities
Indexed & referenced
...And much more



The EBC Basenji Owners Manual published by the Evergreen Basenji Club. Copies are $8.00 each plus $2.00 each copy for postage and handling. To order, send a check (US funds only please), payable to the Evergreen Basenji Club, for the desired number of copies to:


Basenji Owners Manual
P.O. Box 1601
Duvall, WA 98019-1601

If you have questions regarding ordering the manual, please contact: doopub@drizzle.com

Compiled by the Evergreen Basenji Club Program and Education Committee. All proceeds go to the operation of the Evergreen Basenji Club, a non-profit organization dedicated to the Basenji.

[cuttiepie732]

I sent them an email thanks. I am not comfortable with sending check through mail, so I asked if there was another way of paying.

[dmcarty]

I want to tell you that you do NOT get chances to 'do over' typically with this breed - it is very much easier to start right from the beginning than to try to redo or fix. Call it puppy socialization to your mom instead then she can work on some one-to-one stuff too. Anyone that has a basenji or any training center that has worked with them will tell you - this is a unique breed and they will not respond in a way you expect.

You have to decide though - to let your mother with her undersize poodle train this dog in spite of having no real experience - or believe us heck between tanzia and I alone I think there's 50 years of experience there - factore in Lisa and Robyn etc and we might even be over 100. I'm pretty sure we do know what we are talking about.

[agilebasenji]

And something else to consider - is your mom up to date with the latest training methods? Training has changed a LOT in the last 10 years or so. I'm always trying to get more info on training. I've put over 20 titles on one basenji and I'm still trying desparately to learn new/better ways of doing things for my 2 year old.

[Nemo]

I sent them an email thanks. I am not comfortable with sending check through mail, so I asked if there was another way of paying.

The Basenji Club of Southern Wisconsin has a book too. You can get it on their website and pay with Paypal if you are more comfortable with that. Similarly, I think it was developed with the help of people long-familiar with basenjis. I have not read the one that Sharron is recommending so I can't compare the two but the topics of discusion are similar. Go to online shopping to pay for it versus filling out the form. http://www.bcosw.org/

[phoenix3]

In my opinion I would bring the pup to class . I have always said i regret not taken phoenix in when i got him {9mths} I did go to puppy class with Denver my r+w and it made a BIG, HUGE difference. Not to mention ur getting a Tri . I say instead of TRI standing for three colors {what it really means in basenji owners is .. TRY NOT TO LOSS UR MIND } LOL

[cuttiepie732]

In my opinion I would bring the pup to class . I have always said i regret not taken phoenix in when i got him {9mths} I did go to puppy class with Denver my r+w and it made a BIG, HUGE difference. Not to mention ur getting a Tri . I say instead of TRI standing for three colors {what it really means in basenji owners is .. TRY NOT TO LOSS UR MIND } LOL

Haha that's funny. I am going to get the books, and my mom is up to date w training... I saw petsmart has training, and my friend did it and it worked out well. Also the humane society by me doesnt start until late march. that seems too late...

[tanza]

Interesting thing about TRI's... ggg... I think the bitches are far more "tri-ing" then the boys... or maybe they are just smarter.... I always tell people that the "Girls have an agenda and the Boys don't have a clue"..... and that goes for all colors....

[cuttiepie732]

Interesting thing about TRI's... ggg... I think the bitches are far more "tri-ing" then the boys... or maybe they are just smarter.... I always tell people that the "Girls have an agenda and the Boys don't have a clue"..... and that goes for all colors....

So basically I'm in for some 'fun' with a tri, and him being a boy? Lol

[Duke]

I perused through the BCOSW site. If you click "breeders" you'll see many have websites. There is a wealth of info in them.

This one - http://www.arendahlbasenjis.com/basenjis.html has some critical information about safety - all very important points. Scrolling down, there are sights about Basenji health.

All good reading material for planning cuttipie732. It's fantastic that you're doing your homework - bringing home the puppy will be the final exam. Good luck!

[cuttiepie732]

The Basenji Club of Southern Wisconsin has a book too. You can get it on their website and pay with Paypal if you are more comfortable with that. Similarly, I think it was developed with the help of people long-familiar with basenjis. I have not read the one that Sharron is recommending so I can't compare the two but the topics of discusion are similar. Go to online shopping to pay for it versus filling out the form. http://www.bcosw.org/

I just went to it, and it sent me to a form. All I saw was that you could pay paypal for memberships... and other things, but not purchase books.

[cuttiepie732]

I perused through the BCOSW site. If you click "breeders" you'll see many have websites. There is a wealth of info in them.

This one - http://www.arendahlbasenjis.com/basenjis.html has some critical information about safety - all very important points. Scrolling down, there are sights about Basenji health.

All good reading material for planning cuttipie732. It's fantastic that you're doing your homework - bringing home the puppy will be the final exam. Good luck!

Thank you very much for the info. I will definitely look into it. Also thank you for the compliment. I don't mind it, it's only more homework! Since I am a college student. lol

[cuttiepie732]

Good news my mom is into getting him into puppy training. Talking to them now. :)

[ChaseandZahrasmom]

I just went to it, and it sent me to a form. All I saw was that you could pay paypal for memberships... and other things, but not purchase books.

It is all the way on the bottom, I was looking to buy it myself and found it below all of the membership information, it was the last thing you could purchase.

[cuttiepie732]

Ah ok must have missed it thanks! I just bought the book Basenji: Complete... ect at borders the guy didn't even know what a basenji was! Haha

[wizard]

If you don't mind my asking (and absolutely no offense meant) - why is your mom so hot on doing the training (whether she does it herself or she takes the pup to class)? You've done a lot of homework on the bred but how informed is your mother about basenjis?

It's been my humble experience that the person doing the training/socialization with the dog (whatever breed) forms a bond with that dog. Are you living at home and so your mom wants to have control of the situation when you're not around? If this is your dog, you need to have the primary bond with it.

[dash]

We took Dash to Animal Care Unlimited for puppy socialization. It was inexpensive and worth it! Personally, I think the puppy socializtion classes are THE MOST important class you can take you dog to. Not to mention you get to see so many other pups. Probably not B's in this are though. You are always welcome to bring the pup over to our house for play time. Our Dash loves friends. We are on the north end of Columbus. are you far? You can PM me privately if you are interested.

[cuttiepie732]

Hey Jennifer pm sent. I think lol. Still learning.

[dash]

I sent a pm back. anytime is fine. It sounds like you are close