Awesome.. Antlers are great, work hard on crate training because it's super important…I had an awful awful time with separation anxiety and it was horrendous to get through crate training but we have made great progress.
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@mshilo said in starting jogging:
@debradownsouth as a born Israeli, I protest and don’t agree to this conclusive definition. At least you are far away from your very brilliant, smart, educated so-called president. Don’t fly to any Arab country. You may be forced to stay outside of USA. What you know? You may need to live beside those parks.<<
Btw, I am officially Israeli. This isn't a political board; not sure why you went on about things but I'll stick with the dog topic. The streets are filthy.
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@debradownsouth Your way to address Israel is also filthy.
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@debradownsouth As a farewell, you wrote "Sadly we are now in Israel"
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I would do only one walking myself.
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@mshilo said in starting jogging:
@debradownsouth Your way to address Israel is also filthy....
"Sadly we are now in Israel"
I hope you will leave Israel soon, and be happy again, in another place. Take care, or not. Shalom.<<<Your personal attack is uncalled for. You truly turned a comment about filthy streets and dogs sniffing into some way out there melodrama. Not that it is any of your business, but I love Israel. Also, I have working brain cells, I can love Israel (or anything) and not be blinded to problems. I cannot imagine ever leaving. This is my home. It is a bit sad that you want to twist one comment into attacking me, wanting me out of the country, and globalizing one complaint with me being unhappy in general here. How about you try to keep your posts about dogs and keep your nastiness over an imagined slight off the boards.
As for streets here... veterinarians agree they and parks create health issues. I travel around the city and see yards used as dumps, people actually dropping trash out of windows, and watching the ground so I don't step in dog or cat feces.
It isn't my imagination. But hey, if you must attack people who can easily take photos to show the problem, read the below and go use your energy attacking others who agree they are filthy:
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/lets-start-a-war-on-waste/
https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-the-dirt-on-a-dirty-israel-1.5331089
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Israel-so-dirty-compared-to-other-developed-countries
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Did you come from the USA?
If i recall correctly your country produces 30% of the world pollution, with 4% population.
If you don’t understand why it’s rude to say something global like” Israel streets so and so” I can’t teach you. I hope you will find your happiness somewhere else.
Why, don’t you leave a place that you sad to be in, and go away?No need to answer. I don’t read your comments.
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@mshilo
Israel IS my country. Get over it. And truth is neither rude nor polite. The streets here are filthy. How sad that you think that view means all of the country is poisoned for me. You are a very unhappy person to spew such nonsense.
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@mshilo Seriously? I get that you were (possibly) offended by a comment regarding the lack of public hygiene. If your responses were on the same topic, I would be far more sympathetic. But comments regarding the USA and our political leader(?) leave the impression that you are immature and uneducated.
The majority (if not all) of US city/municiple areas have laws addressing the cleanliness of public areas. In other words, "Pick up the Poop" your pets leave behind. The key concept is that it will make a huge difference in public sanitation and the prevention of the spread of diseases. And yes, canine/feline feces do contain diseases/illnesses (some of which can be spread to humans).
Not everyone is considerate enough to do it, but those that do are making a difference. Those that don't are also displaying immature and uneducated attitiudes. shrug So, "DebbieDownSouth's" observation of the condition of the local streets in the area where she is living - is probably on par for what the average US citizen would feel if they were faced with the same.
I hope that, one day, you get to see how much nicer it is to live where the air is fresh(er) and you do not have to worry so much about what path your feet take you.
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We were warned before coming that if we could train the dogs to wear boots, it would help. That veterinarian sites warn that it's a serious problem, it isn't judging..it's a reality, just like the massive feral cats.
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@elbrant i thing that it’s immature and uneducated to describe Israel streets as fielthy, by one that came new to a country, and probably doesn’t familiar enough with the entire country’s streets and policy. I’m sure that lady didn’t visit my home place, nor many other places in Israel.
As an American or past American that is new to Israel, coming from a land that produces 30% of the world pollution I would be happy to find much more humble and correct; therefore instead Of “ sadly, I’m in Israel, Israel streets are dirty”, something like “ sadly in my area the streets are dirty”.
Your comments about my personality, even you have PhD in psychology, are denied. I have never addressed any personality issues here, only the mare arrogant, false remark by someone that not long ago came to Israel and is not familiar with all the streets in Israel. -
@elbrant fresh air?? In the USA? That produces 30% of world pollution and has just retreated from the climate agreement? You must be joking.
And who told you that I’m Israel there aren’t laws regarding “poops”?To a lady that came to a country as a new comer and writes “Sadly we are now in Israel where the parks and walks are filthy ”, I can only reply as I replied. “If you are so sad, go back!!!”
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@debradownsouth . The f,,, Vat told you that? I can just repeat- take your boots and go away. You don’t belong, with you arrogance, there.
There are many beautiful places that people take care of thier shit in Israel. Maybe not where you stay now.
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mshilo... You really need help.
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@mshilo Yes, fresh air... in the US... tons of it. All over the place, actually.
Why berate someone for making a comment about what they have experienced and seen? Perhaps it would have been nicer to invite them to visit you at one of the lovely public areas on "your side of town" where everything is clean and beautiful -- instead of making nasty remarks.
And while I'm not going to debate worldwide polution rates, if you are comparing the US and Israel, add population and land mass to your equations. After all, the US has approximately 36 times more people than Israel, and the US is (obviously) far larger.
All I was asking was that you stay on topic. This thread was about "jogging".
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@elbrant US produce 30% world’s pollution by 3% of the world’s population.
No. You were not only asking to stay at the topic but discuss the greatness of US compare to other country you know nothing about, and my personality.
I would not make any general judgments on a new place in public, until I will be certain i know enough.
For example, I would not have said “sadly, I’m at the US, every one here has a gun, and I can’t send my children to school”. Then I would not add “ I was told before i came to bring safe-suits to the children and look them at home straight after school”
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@mshilo And he continues to obsess over the US and how anyone could criticize Israel. A place you seem to have left, btw. Hmmm.
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Would someone get the last word and stop this back and forth....I'm tired of getting emails that lead me to this off topic conversation....
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@jhewell I hosted a "mailing list" much like this (years ago) and I had a couple of people on the list who were just nasty to each other. (Sound familiar?) Anyway, come to find out that both parties were actually the same person. It seems that some people are so bored in their own lives that they deliberately try to bait others into fighting with them, and sometimes they will pretend fight with themselves just to cause a disturbance. Or maybe that particular person had a split personality. Anyhow... the bickering between @mshilo and @DebraDownSouth reminded me of the experience. That said, I wasn't trying to bait anyone. I was simply curious. Frankly the last response I got was so convoluted that I cannot begin to respond. scratching my head
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@elbrant Wow. @mshilo blew a stack out of nowhere. That you would even indicate we are the same. Not to mention you jumped in and drew more responses.
And honestly... REALLY? I don't annoy real people often enough that I'd need to create a 2nd account? Not sure if I should thank you or what. I suspect people get bored, pop in to create problems and get attention. I'm a good target because I am evidently annoying and read as such. But I have been here for nearly 11 freaking years, and I post the same style for 11 freaking years. Not to mention, you can check IPs. If someone tries fake ids, the admins can see it. And, some here have personally met me. O exist. Anyone can find me, real person, nothing hidden. And just because I don't back down when people make it personal doesn't mean I like it. I would like to point out that YOUR post revived one that had stopped, with the pointed jab at me. So much for higher ground.
Debra
